You dont really want that, it'll never heat up if the car ever sees street time.
All you need is a 90* bend with ~12" off one end. I have mind split as you can see for the Hester return and coolant sensor. |
I would keep the heater core, even for a track car. I don't know man, its certainly been useful especially on cold mornings with frost.
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I understand the arguments about the heater core. This is for a dedicated track car that won't run on the street at all - trailered to track events. I want the cooling benefits of 100% of the coolant going through the radiator every pass but want to keep the option of blowing hot air on the windshield when it rains. In the past the heater has also served as emergency cooling but I hope that won't be necessary with the other preparations being taken.
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how are you going to get hot air if you delete the heater core?
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I'm not deleting the heater. I want to route the return to the hot side of the radiator.
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Originally Posted by mr_hyde
(Post 806283)
I'm not deleting the heater. I want to route the return to the hot side of the radiator.
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In the stock configuration, hot water from the heater core mixes with the cool water from the lower radiator hose. It would seem there are some improvements to be had on the total thermal capacity of the system if the water leaving the heater core passed through the radiator. I appreciate this would cause a street car to warm up very slowly since a bunch of coolant would be bypassing the thermostat but for a track car, it should help it stay cooler. It would not behave much differently than a gutted thermostat but would cool more overall. My plan would be to leave a thermostat in place to help stabilize the temperatures from being too cold. This would all be on the traditional BEGI reroute with the proper head gasket, etc.
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You guys hurry up and figure all this out and post exactly how you did it with a list of parts and part numbers and a nice step by step pictorial "how to". My motor is going back in the car in a week or two so I'm running out of time! Just kidding :). A little.
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Okay, freeze plug worked for plugging mixing manifold
Dorman 550-010 7/8"/22.17mm |
Originally Posted by MINI-P
(Post 806427)
You guys hurry up and figure all this out and post exactly how you did it with a list of parts and part numbers and a nice step by step pictorial "how to". My motor is going back in the car in a week or two so I'm running out of time! Just kidding :). A little.
The "easiest" is currently: 1. water neck a. junk yard cheap b. BEGI for a little more c. cut down the coolant sensor and weld a cap over the stock 1.6 unit. 2. Spacer a. build your own b. BEGI for $90 c. M-tuned housing $180 3. hose a. GM hose for $20 b. build your own with a bit of straight pipe and a couple bends $??? 4. block off plate a. BEGI $25 b. freezer plug $1 c. fab your own cover $free the EASIEST is a $120 order from BEGI of a spacer and water neck, and $25 order at NAPA of the GM hose and freeze plug. After that, you need to decide where the heater core return goes. If you're only racing, put it in the upper radiator hose. If it's still street driven, put it in the lower radiator hose. If you're deleting the heater core, you need make sure there's some feed to the water pump until the thermostat opens. |
Thanks, Curly, that helps a lot. Simplest explanation I've seen yet.
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You're welcome. There's of course some fudge factor, as technically the EASIEST easy method is shelling out $330 to FM or another vendor for m-tuned's reroute, although this thread was a little more oriented towards the DIY method. It's a push in the right direction though.
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 807002)
It all depends if you still want a heater core,
I think I'm gonna get the Begi spacer, waterneck and cap, a 190° Stant thermostat, and the GM hose, keep the heater core and call it a reroute. Am I missing something? |
Originally Posted by MINI-P
(Post 808150)
As you can read over in my build thread, my car has just become a track only car. What are the benefits of removing the heater core?
Originally Posted by MINI-P
(Post 808150)
Is it just weight?
Originally Posted by MINI-P
(Post 808150)
Does leaving the heater core affect cooling efficiency?
Originally Posted by MINI-P
(Post 808150)
I think I'm gonna get the Begi spacer, waterneck and cap, a 190° Stant thermostat, and the GM hose, keep the heater core and call it a reroute. Am I missing something?
I have limited knowledge and therefore input about deleting the heater core, there's no way I'd ever take it out in the PNW, so I haven't given it much thought. Why the 190* thermostat? Also, see Joe Perez's video about Stant thermostats, I believe they've proven to be less than ideal.
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 261863)
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Sorry I was unclear on the "water neck and cap" I meant the begi water neck and the begi block off plate.
I'm not going to delete the heater core right now. I have a supercharger so the heat around the heater core lines isn't as bad as with a turbo. I think. On the 190° thermostat, I thought I read that was the one to get somewhere in one of these threads, but I'm not beyond being confused. Thanks for all the info. I'd like to get this all sorted before the motor goes back in. Looks like a royal, frustrating pain in the knuckles to do it with the motor in. |
NB thermostats are 192*.
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Hi,
I'm doing now the reroute for my eunos with g-reddy (1.6) https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1326036664 So in the middle is the piece from the back-end of the engine. I suppose that is the temperature sensor for the ecu. On the left is the temperature sensor for my own temp -gauge. What is the sensor on the right -side piece? The one with the black hat. |
That's the Tstat cover from a 1.6 that is OEM on the front of the engine. The sensor runs the radiator fans. In the stock configuration if you don't hook it up, the fans run constantly.
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Ok. So if i would use the piece in the middle to block the stock thermostat housing in the front of the engine, can i put the sensor that runs radiator fans in there? Or can i put the sensor for the ecu in that place? Or does that give the right temperatures from the engine?
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Originally Posted by sasu`
(Post 816823)
Ok. So if i would use the piece in the middle to block the stock thermostat housing in the front of the engine, can i put the sensor that runs radiator fans in there? Or can i put the sensor for the ecu in that place? Or does that give the right temperatures from the engine?
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