I need new track pads. what should I get?
I used porterfield in the rear and hawk up front but I dont remember which ones. this combination would start to fade so I need to go up a level.
carbotech? cobalt friction? what should I try? |
DTC-60.
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If you're fading DTC-60s, you need bigger brakes.
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dt-60 is a pretty aggressive pad for a miata and I'm worried about lock up with suck a strong pad. I have a goodwin racing 4 corner big brake kit
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Originally Posted by psreynol
(Post 1002518)
dt-60 is a pretty aggressive pad for a miata and I'm worried about lock up with suck a strong pad. I have a goodwin racing 4 corner big brake kit
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Are your rotors slotted? That can change your decision. DT-60/70's are not recommended for slotted rotors, nor are anything from Carbotech. I run EBC Yellow's on my TT/Hillclimb car, but may not be on the brakes as hard as some of you guys.
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I have been running cobalt friction XR2s F and XR3s R on 949 11" Wilwoods F & Sport R and can't imagine wanting anything more. The modulation is fantastic and stopping power is equivalent to a friends GT3 with PCCB's. The only beef I have with the CF pads is availability. It took 4 weeks to receive my fronts and 6 weeks for the rears. If one of the reputable Miata tuners starts carrying these things they will become the new hot pad to have.
After 5 track days they still look new with no detectable rotor wear. Color me impressed! |
Just about any pad listed in this thread is great. I prefer the carbotechs, but you will find more people running DTCs here.
-If you run 205 R comps/Hoosiers or bigger, then you will do just fine with the DTCs/Carbotechs. -If you are running 225 or bigger street tires, you will also be fine with carbotech XP10s (and probably the DTC-60s). -If you are still learning and like to run a 205 street tire like me, I would suggest you stay at XP8 or equivalent friction pads. (this is all in reference to lock up/modulation btw) |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1002523)
The 60s are awesome, and they're what I use on everything (stock brakes, BBK, N/A, turbo, etc).
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well I can tell you one thing, I wont be buying anything from EBC. my first race pad in 2000 about one session.
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Anyone tried Raybestos ST43 compound? I've seen a bunch of SCCA/Honda roadracers swearing by it for a couple years now and finally just ordered a set. Anxious to try them. I've always run Carbotechs because I started on them and have never found a reason to complain about them. Driven a couple cars with Hawks (HT10 I think) and was never a fan.
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Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1002608)
Driven a couple cars with Hawks (HT10 I think) and was never a fan.
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I've got all of one track day on my new set of XP10s but so far I'm happy. Solved my pad fade problem, good feel/modulation and little noise on the street (so far). It's not my DD but I drive it on the street. I'll have a new set of R888s on for Miatas at MRLS so I'll be stopping like I have thrust reversers (maybe).
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1002636)
Without knowing what you drove I would not give up on hawk. The hawk blues & HT10s are completely different than the DTCs. If I did not have such great results with Cobalts I would be trying the DTC 60s next.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1002432)
If you're fading DTC-60s, you need bigger brakes.
I've heard amazing things about Cobalts, but have yet to try them. I'm actually in the same boat. Hawk HP+ fronts with 11" wilwoods, porterfield in the back. I'm sure I'll start fading the fronts pretty soon. |
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1002608)
Anyone tried Raybestos ST43 compound? I've seen a bunch of SCCA/Honda roadracers swearing by it for a couple years now and finally just ordered a set. Anxious to try them. I've always run Carbotechs because I started on them and have never found a reason to complain about them. Driven a couple cars with Hawks (HT10 I think) and was never a fan.
The HT10 is nothing like a DTC60 - the DTCs are much easier to modulate. I never feel like the DTC60s are too grabby anywhere. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1002538)
I have been running cobalt friction XR2s F and XR3s R on 949 11" Wilwoods F & Sport R and can't imagine wanting anything more. The modulation is fantastic and stopping power is equivalent to a friends GT3 with PCCB's. The only beef I have with the CF pads is availability. It took 4 weeks to receive my fronts and 6 weeks for the rears. If one of the reputable Miata tuners starts carrying these things they will become the new hot pad to have.
After 5 track days they still look new with no detectable rotor wear. Color me impressed! +1 about availability. Rears shipped in a couple weeks, fronts took 2 months... Although, I think the Spec Miata setup (XR3/5) is typically stocked by distributors more often. |
This is conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that Hawk is going to be phasing out the HT-10 in favor of the DTC-60; i.e. - DTC-60 is going to be the superseded pad for the HT-10.
And if you're worried about accidentally locking-up for a split second, think about the alternative... overheating the pads and having no brakes. |
Why are you worrying about locking up the rears? Do you have a Wilwood prop valve? If not, might be a good upgrade. Makes a world of difference in braking bias in seconds. Can tune out any balance issues.
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Originally Posted by GAMO
(Post 1002742)
This is conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that Hawk is going to be phasing out the HT-10 in favor of the DTC-60; i.e. - DTC-60 is going to be the superseded pad for the HT-10.
And if you're worried about accidentally locking-up for a split second, think about the alternative... overheating the pads and having no brakes. I would rather deal with a little fade then destroy a set of race tires when they get flat spotted down to the cord. and who said anything about locking up the rears? I'm talking about locking up in general, but more concerned with locking up the front obviously. |
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