Damn... I got excited thinking these might be an affordable alternative to the Schroth Enduro belts. Nope... a little cheaper, but still $500. I also want adjusters built into the cam lock, but not that bad.

I liked the look of the 806... but if the 808 has 3" straps I might have to look into it. These seem to have easy adjustment options. That is what I am going to be looking for when I install a new setup for my passenger seat. I purchased the car with only one 6pt harness.

Is there a list out there of what seats have mounts at the shoulders? The only ones I found are a $3k Racetech and a $2k Racetech.

Safecraft,
Very nice harness. Only SFI rated, but they will rebelt them once.

I think the OMPs are worth the extra $25 to get the FIA cert.

Racetechs are the only ones that come with the back bracing. all others would need to be modified.

Question from someone that has not done a track day yet, but is prepping a car to be a DD / once or twice a track day toy:

I was offered a set (as in, for one seat) of Willans 6 point harnesses for 100 bucks, basically brand new, just out of date. Used once or twice. They are for a Formula Continental however, so the shoulder straps are not long enough to wrap around my harness bar. The guy offering to sell them to me said we could just weld tabs to the harness bar or drill a hole and put a bolt through it, as many cars with rollcages do, and as is required when racing FC.

My question: Is there any reason not to?

(I'm also aware local track days will require me to buy another set for the instructor. So as far as aesthetics go, that would lock me in to another similar set)

I'd recommend keeping oem seat+seatbelt+airbag as a streetable safety system until you get serious about track action.

There are ALWAYS expired harnesses available. You're not passing on some great deal here.

The main issue currently is, I have a badly torn, tan, leather driver's seat that needs to be replaced. I have had a hard time finding a replacement seat for <$250 (And justifying more than $100 or so on it anyway), and have found a few other seats I've been looking at that are in that price range. And if I am to switch away from a stock seat, I would be less likely to continue driving with stock belts.

But, maybe just forking up the cash for a replacement stock seat is the way to go for the time being.

the only way i would buy used harness if it was out of a passenger seat. once there is a crash the fabric is stretched, and the harness is no longer safe. it might look OK but it needs to be replaced. In your situation a set of harnesses can last a long time, because you have no expiration date. so it is reasonable to use and out of date harness. to use an out of date and used harness i wouldnt pay more than 20 bucks. Unless it was Michael Schumacher's. then i would raise the value a little, as it would be a nice talking point hanging in my garage.

I would pass on this particular williams. If the harness is OK It seems there is allot of fabrication needed to be able to use it. for the price of the willams+materials+time you could be money ahead and buy a new G force.

SPARCO F200 SEAT
have you looked into a new Sparco F200 seat? it's reasonably priced and does fit into a full interior miata.

Thats a stretch. Out of date Sabelts from club racers who havent even though of going M2M are a dime a dozen at $50/each. Belts age out because UV radiation degrades the nylon webbing. On the converse, you drive a car thats a 20 year old drop top that has had way more sun radiating on the stock belts than some tin top club racer that's kept in a garage and brought to events in an enclosed trailer. You should be able to tell if a local club racer is <s>accident</s> racing incident prone or not, I mean as long as the belts are from a spec pinata you're probably fine.

This is a guy I personally know, and have crewed for in the past, so I know the history of them for sure. They are used, but they are imaculate. Used in two races, and kept indoors in an air-conditioned garage the rest of their life. Not faded in the slightest. Drilling two holes or welding two tabs isn't exactly a lot of work or time, and could be done in 15 minutes. Not arguing, just explaining my view point. If I am getting harnesses, and don't need an in-date tag, being able to get some nicer Willans belts seems ideal.

I haven't looked into this seat, but will. Main issue is I like trying a seat before I buy it, and I haven't heard of anyone locally using these. The last sparcos I looked at buying fit me very poorly when I actually went to try them out.

Everyone's ass is different. the fastest way to try out seats is to go to a nasa,scca, race. way more selection than any store can offer. Plus you can get reviews on the spot.

I see you're in SC. i'll be up at road atlanta this weekend for the SCCA race. come on by. I'll be the guy in the sparco hat and OG racing t-shirt. my work cell is 770-880-7579 text me up and i can walk you to some local racers.

I can't make it to Road Atlanta this weekend as I have other things going on, but I'll be there for the NASA HPDE (working, not driving) in August, and will try to hop in a lot of seats then. I appreciate the offer though.

Any of you gays ever sit/try a Recaro Speed 5pt? This would be for my daily NB that will see occasion track time - at least until the EFR build is done. I can get a pair shipped to my door for $1425, which I think it's a pretty dam good deal.

Those don't have a sub belt opening and also aren't fixed back. They also look like a bitch to fit.

If your looking for a track/street seat check out the opm STYLE. or Sparco sprint seats. both can use a a 5-6 point harness and are reasonably priced.

Is the OMP Style really comparable to a Sparco Sprint?

I mean, even the name. Style. Something that's 'racing style' makes me think it is of no use in a racing environment.

His seat reply wasn't intended for a car that's a track beast. I've got an OMP HTE for the track car - but I'm getting old and cranky - the last thing I want is to have to roll out of my dam daily because it's a fixed back "racing" seat.
The Speed 5 (different from the S) does have a sub hole for your nut strap - hence the 5 as it's 5pt ready.
I just want something that doesn't look like it came out of a space ship, doesn't give me kidney failure or hemorrhoids, and can generally keep me in the seat if/when I do take it on the track.

I'm aware, no track beast.

He did say track/street, though. That means double duty. So it needs to be at least track safe. I'm looking for something like this, or the Probax Elise seat... specifically for that reason. Double duty, not a beast. But it needs to be better than stock, at least (other than the sub strap, which is of course good) and I didn't see any certs to tell me it's better than a 79$ pep boys 'racing style seat' for HPDE/OT/etc.

with any seat that you're looking to compromise with street/track use there will be compromises in safety. will it be safer than stock? absolutely.

For a car on track, the best protection you want is a Halo FIA seat, 6 point FIA harness, hans, fire suit, and a helmet. That simply isn't practical in a street car. You would most definitely scare the hell out of your date, if you were to put a crash helmet on. this would lead to low reproductive statistics for your family, and eventually your parents would start wonder about your sexyal orentation. they would think that because you never bring a girl to the family christmas. This shortcoming isn't coming from your inability to find a mate. it has everything to do with your potential mate's psychological inability get into your car. As a practice of sociology I do notice us married men roll around with fixed back seats more often. :P

the two options listed the Sprint and the Style are two different options. they are comparable on price. Whats best for your application it's what aspect of driving you're more interested in.

The OMP style is a non fia rated seat, but it does have provisions for a proper 5/6point harness. this will be much safer than a stock seat and hold you in better. It will be easier to pop in and out of. You'll have a better experience on a streetcar.

the Sparco sprint is a FIA rated seat. it will be a bit harder to get into and out of. but it's more track oriented. if you're looking to do more racing than street driving then it's a good (and safer) option.

Would you really want to run a Halo seat on a miata. The people I know who tried it are in the camp of, "I'd rather have my neck broke than to be trapped in a burning car by the seat because I cant fit out the window in a roll over with a full containment seat." From what I gathered from the people who've done it and liked it that it requires very special cage work to make it work properly and if they were going to do it again they'd just run a normal seat and a right side net.

I agree with your statement but not the context under which you present it. lol deal with it :dealwithit:

haha, just having some fun. In my opinion you really shouldn't be running a halo seat in these cars unless you're going to remove the front 1/4" window or vent window or wtf we're going to call it. Without removing that window, you are 100% correct... it's nearly impossible to get out of the tiny 12"x16" opening you are left with.

That being said... if your'e racing the car... nascar door bar it, gut the doors, remove the window and run a halo seat. Otherwise keep it, run a reasonable seat with shoulder wings and a side net. :makeout:

The hardest part of getting out of a miata is fitting your helmet around the window bar and that A pillar window. once your head is out you can slide out of them. According to nasa rules you need a full containment seat or a net. I run a Sparco Pro ADV and see allot of OMP HTE in the spec miata class.

bingo..

Any word on how the omp first-r fits?

I daily the Sprint V and I am a fan. More comfortable than stock after the first week of break-in, although I am a small person. I've got it on sliders so its not tough for egress when moved back but again my height and width aren't issues. 5 hour drives don't bother me and are actually better than the stock seat.

Sometimes when I'm in a rush the setup seems impractical but I quickly forget as soon as I hit a corner, on-ramp, auto-x, etc. Much worth if you fit into the seat.

I appreciate the reply, but I really am looking more like the Probax or 'Style' thing. Need to be able to turn 90 degrees to get in and out of the car. My Ultrashield TDR Rally Sport is actually very comfortable, but not usable for a daily due to the not being able to turn in it thing.

I'm looking at getting an ultra shield cam lock from solo performance. Any opinions?

Yeah, when I buy a passenger seat I plan on it being that style for that reason. It is a perk that I sometimes miss. No need to subject other, unsuspecting people to that life lol.

I will be at RA in August. Green miata/yellow hard top. Come by if you want to sit in my seats, Racetech RT-1000.

Get the pull up lap belts. I sure wish I had those instead of the pull downs...

A set of these just popped up in the classifieds.

funny that was my next question



probably going to have to order them because i need the quick adjust sub belt option (2 driver car). but ill look, thanks guys.

edit: sean could not find aforementioned classified ad.

Warning on pull up harness. They might be hard to fit into a miata. just looking out.

We have a large selection of harnesses if you're in the market. Harnesses and Restraints | Car

i have a deist pull down currently and its agravating with a 16" ultrashield spec miata, i cant get it tight.

ogracing do you have anythjing with an adjustable anti submarine belt for a 2 driver car with the seat mounted on sliders. tthe only people that seem to even offer them are simpson, crow and ultrashield

I put pull ups in my Red car. Adjuster Buckle ends up pretty close to the belt hole in the seat. No problem for me, but I went out with a friend who is significantly bigger and he was really uncomfortable as the adjuster buckle was pressing hard against his hip/thigh.

So, no fatties in Miatas?

On my car:

Driver Side Setup – 2” lap belt, 3” shoulder belt Schroth Profi configured in pull up lap belts

Passenger Side Setup – 3” Lap Belt, 3” shoulder belt Schroth Profi Configured in pull down

The difference in comfort and ease of adjustment between the two harness setups is immense. If you can afford it or find it, 2” lap belts configured in pull up is for sure the way to go.

I've had OMP WRC and Sparco Evo2 in a Miata that was primarily street driven and it got old real quick. My future plans are to add a QR steering wheel hub and then simply swap my street seats out and replace them with race seats and harnesses before each track event, which for me is only 2 or 3 times a year. I'm doing HPDE and not real racing so this works fine for me. I found Racetech 4000 to be comfy but will probably just go with an Ultrashield and a seat back brace. Again, HPDE and not real racing.

As I'm a bigger driver, it is imperative to get the seat as low and as far back as possible so I have as much leg and helmet room as possible. Even with a bottom mount seat mounted really far back, it may be necessary to section the transmission tunnel to widen the occupant tunnel so that the seat is centered relative to the controls à la Moti @ Blackbird Fabworks.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1406038444

Any side mount seat is a pain to install given the limited room between seat and transmission tunnel to fasten mounting hardware but since most seats are side mount it is important to think about how to get a side mounted seat centered in the tunnel.

We sell simpson. Simpson is nice, because they will build you a harness to your spec. send me an email or a PM with what you are looking for and i'll generate a quote. Johnny@ogracing.com

Thats a Pain. We had to do that to get the SParco ADV to fit into our NB miata. Last night i was finally able to remove that awful Fake bride and replace it with a FIA seat. I should have a larger selection of instructors that will be able to get into the car.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...20457239_n.jpg

Before it was... I need an instructor that is brave enough to get into a ls1 miata, with a Auto-x driver, and that has a pants size smaller than 32.

anyone install new seats over the weekend?

What I've done with my GForce 5pt camlock is to preset the right side lap belt and only tighten and loosen the left side lap belt.

Scroth Profis are adjustable.

That's actually what I started doing. I put an order in with ultra shield today :)

So what are we looking at for weight differences between two identical harnesses between the latch link and the cam lock option? Trying to decide if for the very specific harness I'm looking at if the cam lock is actually worth twice the money.

It's actually lighter to run without any harnesses. If we're all collectively lucky, you'll be pushed off this mortal coil when you crash into a cone and your limp, unrestrained body is thrown into the steering wheel with your last words being "I died doing what I loved... racing in parking lots".

Alternatively, what's winning worth to you? I say a few hundred bucks is completely worth it to be named cone dodger champion of TYOOL 2014.

:facepalm: Adding a lap belt, lets me remove the stock seat belt retractors, it ends up being lighter. But I want to add the sub straps from a 6 point harness to keep me from sliding down under the lap belt without having to brace myself on the car with my left leg.

Harsh dude!

You didn't seriously just say this did you? Obviously you haven't used a latch link in a while...a latch link is probably heavier, being that its all steel...you know, instead of a plastic shell and a few metal pins.

shit fucking sucks.

Oh no I know how much more of a pain it is. But its literally twice as expensive to get the cam lock. Unless someone can direct me at a camlock pull down 2" web lap belt + 6 point sub strap for under $130 that isnt made by geforce.

I know that empirical data isn't exactly your strong suit Leafy, but outside of the G-Force belts not coming with hardware and not having the best adjusters, what exactly is wrong with G-Force belts?

Cam locks releasing when you dont want it to or failing to release when you do.

I would love to see some anecdotes of FIA certified G-Force camlocks failing. I'm sure you have plenty of examples to give off hand.

I owned and used G-Force camlocks for years and this never once happened to me. Presumably you have first-person experience, and not just some shit you heard from a friend of a friend?

Yes, not FIA but SFI rated 5 point has failed to latch full on me multiple times. You plug the clip in, it clicks feels good, take 2 turns an all of a sudden the lap belt's not connected anymore. And I personally had to turn the subby screw driver to disassemble the cam lock to get a driver out of the car when the lap belt and both should harness belts failed to release. Thankfully that car has a simpson camlock harness now.

I would love to see a Youtube video of this in action.

Take it outside or to PMs? :giggle:

So back to things that matter where can I buy a camlock pull down 2" web lap belt + 6 point sub strap for under $130, because thats how much Crow wants to have one made. Neither Simpson and Scroth have easy to use custom belt configurators on their sites.