Lightweight battery snobs...
#41
If you want a 16 cell there is a guy on ebay selling batteries in the same configuration as the ballistic evo 2 16. People are RC forums say the cells are legit and that the quality is good:
A123 16 Cell 4S4P 13 2V9 2AH motorbike Battery Starter with Black Case | eBay
Ballistic has the evo 3 line now, it would be good to find out what is inside the cases.
A123 16 Cell 4S4P 13 2V9 2AH motorbike Battery Starter with Black Case | eBay
Ballistic has the evo 3 line now, it would be good to find out what is inside the cases.
I'm 99% sure that the EVO3 Ballistics are internally the same as the EVO2s. They just redesigned the cases, use different terminals, and have a bunch of new case configuration options.
#42
Possibly. Based on the look of the cases I was thinking they might have gone down to using the smaller a123 18650 cells. If you email ballistic and ask what is inside (or any other battery manufacturer) they will tell you it is a custom battery chemistry. So far, every example of an opened battery I have seen says otherwise (including ballistic).
I have also noticed battery manufacturers using terms like 12 cell or 16 cell when it doesn't accurately reflect the number of cells in the box.
I have also noticed battery manufacturers using terms like 12 cell or 16 cell when it doesn't accurately reflect the number of cells in the box.
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I recently bought an "Alien Motion" LiFePO4 battery. Just hooked it up with alligator clips and it started and ran the Miata just fine. Don't have any long-term data yet, since it's not installed. Planning on putting in where the passenger airbag currently resides.
Alien Motion Lithium Battery - LiFePo4 Lightweight Power Sports Battery
Alien Motion Lithium Battery - LiFePo4 Lightweight Power Sports Battery
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Assuming a nominal voltage of 3.3v, we can assume that any auto battery is going to be a 4S configuration of LiFePO4 cells. So I would think that 3P (12 cell) and 4P (16 cell) configurations would be commonplace. Are you seeing manufacturers use higher degrees of parallelism with lower-rated cells?
#46
I get that is what they are referencing but it seems like some manufactures also use it as a convention to try and make a product hierarchy. For example, that alien motion AM16 is not a 4s4p configuration of the same cells in their AM12 - the specs don't work out to a total that would make sense if it was a 4s4p of those cells. Looking at the battery box, it looks like prismatic pouches and the 16 designation is just an attempt to differentiate it above the 12 cell.
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I get that is what they are referencing but it seems like some manufactures also use it as a convention to try and make a product hierarchy. For example, that alien motion AM16 is not a 4s4p configuration of the same cells in their AM12 - the specs don't work out to a total that would make sense if it was a 4s4p of those cells. Looking at the battery box, it looks like prismatic pouches and the 16 designation is just an attempt to differentiate it above the 12 cell.
#48
It seems like the battery vendors really don't want people to know what is in the battery box. This braille battery that has been posted in the past, it is advertised at 7 amp hours, they went so far as to shrinkwrap the cells with their branding.
https://i.imgur.com/9BecH5f.jpg
Unless they managed to invent a new battery chemisty and create created a cell with the same external dimensions, and the same case coloring, as an a123 26650-a, but at 3.5 amp hour instead of 2.3, they are lying about the capacity.
Most of the other battery manufacturers are smart enough to call it PB/EQ amp hours if they want to make up numbers.
https://i.imgur.com/9BecH5f.jpg
Unless they managed to invent a new battery chemisty and create created a cell with the same external dimensions, and the same case coloring, as an a123 26650-a, but at 3.5 amp hour instead of 2.3, they are lying about the capacity.
Most of the other battery manufacturers are smart enough to call it PB/EQ amp hours if they want to make up numbers.
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I get that is what they are referencing but it seems like some manufactures also use it as a convention to try and make a product hierarchy. For example, that alien motion AM16 is not a 4s4p configuration of the same cells in their AM12 - the specs don't work out to a total that would make sense if it was a 4s4p of those cells. Looking at the battery box, it looks like prismatic pouches and the 16 designation is just an attempt to differentiate it above the 12 cell.
I hadn't noticed the AM22, but that one does seem to break the math. All of the others are an even multiple of 4, but 22 isn't; the next step after the AM16 should be AM20. And yet they very clearly claim it contains 22 cells.
That's rather curious...
4 cells, or 4 groups of 4 cells?
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4 of the 'pouches' if memory serves right. And any number different from a multiple of 4 would have raised a flag with me, so I'm pretty sure it's 4.
No markings on the pouches either, so I couldn't confirm capacity without running a controlled discharge/charge cycle.
No markings on the pouches either, so I couldn't confirm capacity without running a controlled discharge/charge cycle.
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The hobby king battery leafy posted is really good for $/amp hour:
ZIPPY Flightmax 8400mAh 4S2P 30C LiFePo4 Pack
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Sixshooter and I both use lawn mower batteries from Advance. They cost like $20-$25 and I have never not had it be able to start my car unless it had been sitting for a few weeks. I could get a new one every year and still get 10 years out of them before I hit the price point of those fancy smancy batteries.