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GeneSplicer 03-27-2018 07:37 PM

That shim will save me lots of time vs any machining. Actually bought a 20ton hf press today to press in lugs

hi_im_sean 03-27-2018 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by GeneSplicer (Post 1474247)
That shim will save me lots of time vs any machining. Actually bought a 20ton hf press today to press in lugs

I highly suggest you weld gussets in the top corner, unless they've fixed that, which is unlikely.

Midtenn 03-28-2018 10:02 AM

And replace all the hardware with good hardware

GeneSplicer 03-28-2018 08:53 PM

The punch/press is welded crooked as shit.

GeneSplicer 03-28-2018 09:48 PM

Well shit - Lars pointed out that the rear rotor won't fit over the OD of the hub face... checked my sports, sure enough. I Didn't even think to check the rotor fitting over the hub. Just a little off the edge should do.
4.916 hub OD
4.895 inner rotor hat
about 0.1mm shave should suffice, but remember to allow for heat expansion.

hi_im_sean 03-28-2018 10:07 PM

You and I both. This was spurred by the pair i did for marcus that he discovered wont fit when he tried to assemble it today. Lol we're dipshits.

GeneSplicer 03-28-2018 10:29 PM

I think he needs to put the rear end on jacks (which I'm sure it is already) , start the car, put in gear and take a file to those hubs! That'd be funny as hell... and it'd work! Until his arm gets wrapped up in the axle...

hi_im_sean 03-28-2018 10:35 PM

Its like you were part of the convo we had an hour ago....

flier129 03-29-2018 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneSplicer (Post 1474482)
I think he needs to put the rear end on jacks (which I'm sure it is already) , start the car, put in gear and take a file to those hubs! That'd be funny as hell... and it'd work! Until his arm gets wrapped up in the axle...

:rofl: I'll likely be doing this, but I don't have the time currently. Car goes to cage tomorrow, so I've zipped tied the rear calipers and turned my prop valve to close off the rear for now.


Thought it was guna work!
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Ummmmm, what did I fuck up?!
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Queue the sad-trombone.
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Took some quick measurements with a HF caliper.
MR-S hub OD: 125mm
Miata hub OD: 122mm
1.8 rear brake rotor ID: 124.5mm


I'd like to take ~1mm off so it's not a super tight fit for the rotor onto the hub. The rotor "hat" has to expand some while hot, correct? I figure if the tolerance was too tight it could potentially crack? Maybe I'm being overly paranoid.


This is just part of pioneering, I suppose. Thankfully this is fixable and Sean can add it to his process.

sixshooter 03-29-2018 09:57 AM

This looks like a great reason for a big brake kit instead of Machining anything

hi_im_sean 03-29-2018 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by flier129 (Post 1474533)
:rofl: I'll likely be doing this, but I don't have the time currently. Car goes to cage tomorrow, so I've zipped tied the rear calipers and turned my prop valve to close off the rear for now.


Thought it was guna work!
https://i.imgur.com/RkpmwELl.jpg

Ummmmm, what did I fuck up?!
https://i.imgur.com/jqSUnN7l.jpg

Queue the sad-trombone.
https://i.imgur.com/Gj2BwDFl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ltaIP0Wl.jpg


Took some quick measurements with a HF caliper.
MR-S hub OD: 125mm
Miata hub OD: 122mm
1.8 rear brake rotor ID: 124.5mm


I'd like to take ~1mm off so it's not a super tight fit for the rotor onto the hub. The rotor "hat" has to expand some while hot, correct? I figure if the tolerance was too tight it could potentially crack? Maybe I'm being overly paranoid.


This is just part of pioneering, I suppose. Thankfully this is fixable and Sean can add it to his process.

A prop valve never completely closes the rear circuit, just reduces pressure (by 57% at most for the common wilwood style afaik).

acedeuce802 03-29-2018 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1474540)
A prop valve never completely closes the rear circuit, just reduces pressure (by 57% at most for the common wilwood style afaik).

^This, the prop valve doesn't cut anything off, it only increase line volume to reduce pressure. C'mon Marcus, we just talked about this!

jpreston 03-29-2018 10:25 AM

Damn those things look beefy once they're mounted on the miata knuckle.

flier129 03-29-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1474537)
This looks like a great reason for a big brake kit instead of Machining anything

Not worth the points and I don't need anymore brake on the car atm. I suppose a nice Stoptech kit would make it easier to modulate, but $$$$



Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1474540)
A prop valve never completely closes the rear circuit, just reduces pressure (by 57% at most for the common wilwood style afaik).


Originally Posted by acedeuce802 (Post 1474544)
^This, the prop valve doesn't cut anything off, it only increase line volume to reduce pressure. C'mon Marcus, we just talked about this!

I knew it wasn't 100% closed, but I didn't know it was only 57% at max. A few turns from it makes a YUGE difference on track though!

hi_im_sean 03-29-2018 12:29 PM

Pressure adjustments range from 100-1000 PSI and provide for a maximum decrease of 57% in line pressure, the most of any available valve

Wilwood Disc Brakes - Porportioning Valves & Pressure Valves

just for reference :)

GeneSplicer 03-30-2018 12:01 PM

1mm material off edge is min amount to fit... yoy can prolly take off 2mm and be totally fine.
my hubs going on this afternoon

afm 03-30-2018 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by flier129 (Post 1474551)
I knew it wasn't 100% closed, but I didn't know it was only 57% at max. A few turns from it makes a YUGE difference on track though!

It also makes zero difference at low line pressures (low enough to squeeze the pads together).

GeneSplicer 03-30-2018 06:30 PM

Done. Centered up perfectly... These are on Keisler drop spindles.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f9a253a002.jpg
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flier129 04-03-2018 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by GeneSplicer (Post 1474766)
1mm material off edge is min amount to fit... yoy can prolly take off 2mm and be totally fine.
my hubs going on this afternoon

Did you have your machine-shop guy do this?

hi_im_sean 04-03-2018 11:13 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...99d3d1812e.png


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