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Old 03-22-2010, 06:13 PM   #21
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Hawk said the 60s would be fine? My understanding with hawk pads is that one must replace rotors everytime pads get replaced. I wonder if we could kill a set of pads on the rotors and throw another set of hawks on the same rotors. That would be nice, i know carbotechs can do that.
I just talked to the guy at Hawk and he said the DTC-60 were much easier on rotors than blues and that he won't suggest that its a good idea to use a Hawk street pad with a Hawk race pad on the same rotor, he didn't say it would be the end of the world.

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What about 60s then another set of 60s on the same set of rotors?
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I'm sure that would be fine...

The DTC pads may have started out as a "dirt track" pad, but they are pretty well used now in road racing.
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Does Carbotech have anything that will work? Pretty sure they can custom cut anything if they do not.


CT Brakes > Anything.
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Does Carbotech have anything that will work? Pretty sure they can custom cut anything if they do not.


CT Brakes > Anything.
Do you have $180 to burn up on front brakes every 3-track days?
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Does Carbotech have anything that will work? Pretty sure they can custom cut anything if they do not.


CT Brakes > Anything.
Why do you say CT > Anything? Just because people on the internet say they are? Because Emilio sells them?
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Cobalt Friction
Anyone tried them yet?

They came out with the CSR which would most likely last longer than the XR2 and XR3 that I see only last 2.5-3 hours with a pro driver.
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Do you have $180 to burn up on front brakes every 3-track days?
This, burning 80 bucks every 3 track days is better than 180 bucks. We are looking for a cheaper solution that still works.

I also don't mind washing my wheels after each track day.
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Cobalt Friction
Anyone tried them yet?

They came out with the CSR which would most likely last longer than the XR2 and XR3 that I see only last 2.5-3 hours with a pro driver.
Our race team uses Cobalt Friction brakes exclusively. Many Grand Am teams also use them. I had a set of XR3s on my turbo miata and used them for 4 weekends. They are still on the car but I should be running XR1s, the xr3 compound is not enough for the amount of HP I have (had...). I have standard 95 brakes with napa rotors, no ducting and about 220 whp.

I definitely would recommend Cobalts.
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If you were a real man you would step up to CL pads from Carbon Lorraine.
Before you get your panties in their typical wad-Yes they are French and yes they are expensive. However they resist heat better than almost any other pads, wear much slower(2-3x slower or more) and are very kind to rotors.
They have pads for the dynalite caliper and the miata rears.
They are going on my car-once it is finished.
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If you were a real man you would step up to CL pads from Carbon Lorraine.
Before you get your panties in their typical wad-Yes they are French and yes they are expensive. However they resist heat better than almost any other pads, wear much slower(2-3x slower or more) and are very kind to rotors.
They have pads for the dynalite caliper and the miata rears.
They are going on my car-once it is finished.
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That is 3x higher than we are looking for.
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Its not a driving problem, I'm driving the same way I drove with the sport brakes when i did not have this problem (pad taper). I think this was a heat problem with the corrado rotors, so I'm switching to Racing Brake. I don't have the money to buy $1000 overlay equipment and a camera, so that's never going to happen.
A guy I work with has a 993 Turbo and was cooking the brakes on the track, it was down to him applying the brakes for too long rather than a shorter, firmer application.

I'm not saying that is the problem here just keep it in mind.
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Scoff about the price if you like.
If the pads last 3x as long as conventional metal pads and don't go through rotors(which aren;t that cheap even with cheap blanks)like Hawk blues, have superior temp handling and reasonable cold bite which allows street use. Plus I dont have keep changing the pads and rotors multiple times per year.
Long term they aren't any more expensive than more conventional pads.
You do have to pony up for the intial investment but like anything automotive-cheap, fast, reliable(or in this case durable)-pick two.
Honestly, people on many automotive boards tend to be so dogmatic about things.
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Scoff about the price if you like.
If the pads last 3x as long as conventional metal pads and don't go through rotors(which aren;t that cheap even with cheap blanks)like Hawk blues, have superior temp handling and reasonable cold bite which allows street use. Plus I dont have keep changing the pads and rotors multiple times per year.
Long term they aren't any more expensive than more conventional pads.
You do have to pony up for the intial investment but like anything automotive-cheap, fast, reliable(or in this case durable)-pick two.
Honestly, people on many automotive boards tend to be so dogmatic about things.
Agreed, Its that If part we are worried about. What if they don't work?
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I'm a little tired of "if" too. I'm a bit frustrated with the car again, but hopefully things will go the say of the turbo kit genesis where it was darkest before light.
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I'm a little tired of "if" too. I'm a bit frustrated with the car again, but hopefully things will go the say of the turbo kit genesis where it was darkest before light.
I've got another "if" for you. If you want to send me a set of rotors and pads like ones you have some data on already (you know they last x number of hours on the track with you driving) and let me get them treated for you and send them back. You then try them again and see how much longer they last. I've got a buddy that does a special "secret process" of cryogenic cycling (not simple cryo treating) for optical lens cutting tools and other specialized industrial applications. Last year he tested his process on police car rotors and pads (yes, you do the pads, too) and increased the service life of the rotors and pads by 5.5 times. The officers also reported that their stopping distances were decreased and that the Crown Victoria's horrible brake fade problems were alleviated. This might help you to successfully use the "rotor eater" pads by lengthening the service life of the rotors and pads to a tolerable duration.

PM me if you are interested in trying it and we can talk details.
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I've got another "if" for you. If you want to send me a set of rotors and pads like ones you have some data on already (you know they last x number of hours on the track with you driving) and let me get them treated for you and send them back. You then try them again and see how much longer they last. I've got a buddy that does a special "secret process" of cryogenic cycling (not simple cryo treating) for optical lens cutting tools and other specialized industrial applications. Last year he tested his process on police car rotors and pads (yes, you do the pads, too) and increased the service life of the rotors and pads by 5.5 times. The officers also reported that their stopping distances were decreased and that the Crown Victoria's horrible brake fade problems were alleviated. This might help you to successfully use the "rotor eater" pads by lengthening the service life of the rotors and pads to a tolerable duration.

PM me if you are interested in trying it and we can talk details.

Voodoo magic. Another "if" added to the mix.

Cobalt Friction possible. What about Porterfield?
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Voodoo magic. Another "if" added to the mix.
"You have to believe we are magic, nothing can stand in our way"[/Horrible 1980 Reference - Olivia Newton John]


Wait for the chorus...

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I wonder if this dude actually drives the car hard or uses his mouth on men?
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