Teves Mk60 ABS install
Has anybody tried to install the Teves MK60 standalone ABS system from a BMW E46 into an NA/NB Miata? If so, what did you do for wheel sensors?
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This is the thread I used to learn about the swap.
https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...tandalone-info This has all you info about the swap and the parts needed. TL;DR: E46 M3 Blue connector sensors, Post #9 of the thread above. |
Have you done the swap?
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Since it's not legal for ST4/5 I put all the parts on the self until it is, if ever.
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How about the reluctor rings? Can we use the Miata rings with these sensors?
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Originally Posted by AA-Ron
(Post 1507937)
Since it's not legal for ST4/5 I put all the parts on the self until it is, if ever.
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You can use pretty much any active wheel speed sensor. I ended up using a 996 porsche sensor in the rear and a bosch motorsport front from the bin on the NC.
I need to get a set of front and rear uprights from the NA/NB, I would like to get a kit going for the older cars if anyone would be interested. |
Originally Posted by charliehayes22
(Post 1507959)
You can use pretty much any active wheel speed sensor. I ended up using a 996 porsche sensor in the rear and a bosch motorsport front from the bin on the NC.
I need to get a set of front and rear uprights from the NA/NB, I would like to get a kit going for the older cars if anyone would be interested. |
I looked into it at one point, but decided to go a different way. I'm not a EE, but AIUI there are electronic circuits to adapt the "passive" (reluctor, I think) stock NA/NB ABS sensor signals to the "active" (hall effect?) style of signals that the Teves unit expects. I had planned to go down that path, rather than trying to mechanically fit new sensors to the MIata uprights.
--Ian |
Originally Posted by charliehayes22
(Post 1507959)
You can use pretty much any active wheel speed sensor. I ended up using a 996 porsche sensor in the rear and a bosch motorsport front from the bin on the NC.
I need to get a set of front and rear uprights from the NA/NB, I would like to get a kit going for the older cars if anyone would be interested. |
I've been playing around with the idea of retrofitting NC ABS to my NA - but in my research I discovered that there's a lot more engineering that goes into ABS than just monitoring the wheel speeds and reacting appropriately - mostly in dealing with pump cycle duty, volume split between the four brakes. Basically the pump needs to be sized for the brake volume (lines, bore, etc), which kinda put the kabosh on pursuing it further.
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Originally Posted by Savington
Teves MK60 is legal for ST4.
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Originally Posted by charliehayes22
You can use pretty much any active wheel speed sensor. I ended up using a 996 porsche sensor in the rear and a bosch motorsport front from the bin on the NC.
I need to get a set of front and rear uprights from the NA/NB, I would like to get a kit going for the older cars if anyone would be interested. |
Originally Posted by charliehayes22
(Post 1507959)
You can use pretty much any active wheel speed sensor. I ended up using a 996 porsche sensor in the rear and a bosch motorsport front from the bin on the NC.
I need to get a set of front and rear uprights from the NA/NB, I would like to get a kit going for the older cars if anyone would be interested. Charlie, please check your private messages. |
Originally Posted by gooflophaze
(Post 1508092)
I've been playing around with the idea of retrofitting NC ABS to my NA
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1508271)
It's a good thing that you didn't try as the stock NC ABS requires the stock ECU to even operate.
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Maybe you do. I've lost count of how many "experts" I've seen lately in forums, all of them copying and pasting arduino code from whatever source they can find (see: Dunning-Kruger Effect). Not saying you are not knowledgeable, but I've been taking everything everyone says online with a huge grain of salt.
You will need to find a working NC, tap into the CAN bus, and find what sequence you need to send to the NC ABS to make it work. It's not that hard but it's not trivial either. |
Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 1508301)
Maybe you do. I've lost count of how many "experts" I've seen lately in forums, all of them copying and pasting arduino code from whatever source they can find (see: Dunning-Kruger Effect). Not saying you are not knowledgeable, but I've been taking everything everyone says online with a huge grain of salt.
You will need to find a working NC, tap into the CAN bus, and find what sequence you need to send to the NC ABS to make it work. It's not that hard but it's not trivial either. |
Originally Posted by gooflophaze
(Post 1508092)
I've been playing around with the idea of retrofitting NC ABS to my NA
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Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1508311)
All of the NC pro race teams that I've talked to use an RX8 ABS module in their cars that aren't using the factory ECU. 2004 non-DSC RX8 I believe. It works as a full standalone and doesn't need CAN communication to the rest of the car. They all told me that it's tuned really well for track use, but I'd be curious to hear Charlie's thoughts since he went with the Teves system in his NC.
Edit: Had to look it up via ebay - Sumitomo, Bosch 5.7 with ice mode (bad for track with wheel lift). |
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