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Old 08-15-2017, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rumlyne
I "hear the new 6.7 are good" Buy one post back next year, I suppose you could be right.
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2010 6.7L release. Did you think I said 6.4L?


2010. Also, what is this, a confused contradiction then echo chamber?
No just responding to another post, try reading the whole thread next time.
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Our service trucks had the 6.0 for a while. Went to Cummins and dodge because of multiple major failures. Cummins has been very reliable.
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I've been told (by friends who are professional diesel mechanics) that the 6.4s are utter train wrecks from top to bottom. They make the 6.0s look good. Had a friend post a pic several months ago of a 6.4 truck with the cab off, heads off, shortblock on a stand, caption was "75k mile service". You couldn't give me a free 6.4 liter truck.
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Guy says he bought gas-engined Ford

Thread turns into Ford diesel bashing as a result. Fun.

One day in the shop last week, 4 of our 5 occupied bays had a blue oval in them. All the truck owners at the shop have Chevys.

This is not a coincidence.

Ford has built some great driving vehicles but their engineering often leaves me perplexed. Too many odd ideas with frustrating solutions.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
No just responding to another post, try reading the whole thread next time.
Nonsensical, ambiguous echo chamber it is then.

Originally Posted by Savington
I've been told (by friends who are professional diesel mechanics) that the 6.4s are utter train wrecks from top to bottom. They make the 6.0s look good. Had a friend post a pic several months ago of a 6.4 truck with the cab off, heads off, shortblock on a stand, caption was "75k mile service". You couldn't give me a free 6.4 liter truck.
Exhaust manifolds fail often on the 6.4L. Factory service is full cab off for replacement. Meanwhile, aftermarket solutions exist for a cab on replacement. Front timing covers crack and develop coolant leaks often. Etc. The 6.4L was a tweak by Navistar to stop the 6.0L warranty cash bleed they and Ford were dealing with. I've never heard them called worse than the 6.0s though as they were a design iteration for the most common failure points that introduced some new failure points. Interesting perspective.

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Originally Posted by turbofan;1434020[b
]Guy says he bought gas-engined Ford

Thread turns into Ford diesel bashing as a result.[/b] Fun.

One day in the shop last week, 4 of our 5 occupied bays had a blue oval in them. All the truck owners at the shop have Chevys.

This is not a coincidence.

Ford has built some great driving vehicles but their engineering often leaves me perplexed. Too many odd ideas with frustrating solutions.
I don't mind. I was expecting to get **** for it anyway, but i was hoping someone would at least tell me that I was way off as far as my aerodynamic ideas, and tell me how to adjust.
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I'm about to bite the bullet and convert to 16" wheels on my trailer so I can run load range E truck tires. It's going to increase wheel diameter by 1" but I have plenty of space, and a 1/2" ride height difference shouldn't be noticeable.

Buying 8 new wheels and tires is going to suck though.
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Originally Posted by vtjballeng
I've never heard them called worse than the 6.0s though as they were a design iteration for the most common failure points that introduced some new failure points. Interesting perspective.
Google "6.4 cracked pistons". The number of results will scare you off the engine forever.
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I bet there's almost as many of them as bent BP rods.
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Less results than Miata cracked pistons by a wide margin
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I tow close to 20K miles a year.

Took the truck and trailer across the scales at 18,600lbs fully loaded.

Truck is a 2002 Ram 2500 Cummins. Triple disk billet converter, Chip's Transmissions stage 4 gearbox, Edge Juice with Attitude "hot unlocked," "Super B Special Single" Turbo(Yes....I tow my Supercharged Race Car with a Turbo Truck ), DAP 100hp injectors, FASS 150GPH Fuel System, "Hot Rod" VP44 Pump, ATS Pulse Flow Manifold, AFE grid heater delete, AFE Intake Elbow, AEM Water/Meth injection with 5 gallon tank, AFE Intercooler and pipe kit.

This thing is an absolute BEAST. Get's 14-16 mpg towing my 28' trailer at 75-80 mph and fully loaded it will pass an unloaded Ford going up Jellico Mountain.

As I typed this I realized I might have a problem......my truck is almost as modified as my car
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Originally Posted by Savington
"cracked pistons"
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I was thinking of picking up a V8 4runner for towing duties at some point but the price some people are asking for these things are insane. I regularly see 200k+ mile examples for over 10k.

Anyone towed with any of the new toyota V6 Taco/4Runners?
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I have a friend who bought a 4.0 v6 4Runner crew cab long bed for his track tow vehicle / DD. He's only towed with it a couple of times so far and I have not driven it yet because I rolled his last truck over on the interstate while pulling a trailer with his last car on it. The four liter seems to have surprisingly good torque and power seems great. The long bed was difficult to find with the crew cab but seems to add to the overall stability and certainly it's a lot more useful space in the bed. Seems like plenty of truck for a single Miata and trailer.

'04-'06 extended cab v8 Tundras have come down a lot lately, fwiw.
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Originally Posted by MartinezA92
I was thinking of picking up a V8 4runner for towing duties at some point but the price some people are asking for these things are insane. I regularly see 200k+ mile examples for over 10k.

Anyone towed with any of the new toyota V6 Taco/4Runners?
If you're willing to travel, V8 Gen4 4runners aren't hard to find in the $8k range, making them a bargain when compared against say... a Gen3 4runner.

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I have a friend who bought a 4.0 v6 4Runner crew cab long bed for his track tow vehicle / DD. He's only towed with it a couple of times so far and I have not driven it yet because I rolled his last truck over on the interstate while pulling a trailer with his last car on it. The four liter seems to have surprisingly good torque and power seems great. The long bed was difficult to find with the crew cab but seems to add to the overall stability and certainly it's a lot more useful space in the bed. Seems like plenty of truck for a single Miata and trailer.

'04-'06 extended cab v8 Tundras have come down a lot lately, fwiw.
Well the 04s have. 05-06 is still salty because they have the better transmission everyone wants. Including me. :(
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00-02 had the trans oiling problem and any of those with over 100,000 miles have certainly had the trans replaced. By 03 they had reengineered it. By 04 they had switched to WS trans oil. My replacement trans was an 04 that took WS oil. I got it for $300 and it has been over 300,000 miles since then so I'm pretty sure they had the problem solved in 2004. That being said I would not hesitate to own a 2000 to 03 or any of them. Somewhere around 2003 or 4 they went to the bigger brake calipers in front but you can buy them for cheap from RockAuto and retrofit any of them since they are a bolt on direct replacement.

Mine is a '01, has the original engine, ac compressor, alternator, ps pump, interior switches, etc. and went 10 hours each way to MATG pulling my car. Has 413,000 miles on it currently. I should probably go ahead and get another one but I selfishly want to say that I drove it to 500,000 miles just to say I did it. I think the catalytic converters are probably bad by now. It keeps throwing a code for that.
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Originally Posted by MartinezA92
I was thinking of picking up a V8 4runner for towing duties at some point but the price some people are asking for these things are insane. I regularly see 200k+ mile examples for over 10k.

Anyone towed with any of the new toyota V6 Taco/4Runners?
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If you're willing to travel, V8 Gen4 4runners aren't hard to find in the $8k range, making them a bargain when compared against say... a Gen3 4runner.
You guys and your poverty specs. I don't know, when I bought my V8 4Runner (Limited, 4WD, etc) I wanted one with a clean Carfax and good miles. I think I paid $20k for a 2008 in Jan of 2014 and I had to fly to Austin and drive it back to Tulsa.

There is a reason they hold their resale value, they are awesome trucks.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
00-02 had the trans oiling problem and any of those with over 100,000 miles have certainly had the trans replaced. By 03 they had reengineered it. By 04 they had switched to WS trans oil. My replacement trans was an 04 that took WS oil. I got it for $300 and it has been over 300,000 miles since then so I'm pretty sure they had the problem solved in 2004. That being said I would not hesitate to own a 2000 to 03 or any of them. Somewhere around 2003 or 4 they went to the bigger brake calipers in front but you can buy them for cheap from RockAuto and retrofit any of them since they are a bolt on direct replacement.

Mine is a '01, has the original engine, ac compressor, alternator, ps pump, interior switches, etc. and went 10 hours each way to MATG pulling my car. Has 413,000 miles on it currently. I should probably go ahead and get another one but I selfishly want to say that I drove it to 500,000 miles just to say I did it. I think the catalytic converters are probably bad by now. It keeps throwing a code for that.
I mean the 05-06 has a 5spd auto that's more bettererer because more.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
You guys and your poverty specs.
It just comes down to me being stubborn and really not wanting a truck lol
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Originally Posted by MartinezA92
It just comes down to me being stubborn and really not wanting a truck lol
I also wanted all the goodies since it was going to be my DD as well.

It was well worth the money spent, damn nice truck. Wish I still had it.
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