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Old Feb 4, 2018 | 10:46 PM
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Sweet, I have a 93 M3.

My experience with your plan of thicker versus more layers has always been disastrous, with hard to remove air bubbles, not following the shape/core properly etc. I'll let more experienced people offer more but thought I would add my 2c.

Also, photo of M3 for before and after reference necessary (actually, purely selfish grounds).
Old Feb 4, 2018 | 10:59 PM
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What final carbon thickness do you shoot for after multiple layers? And what do you consider too thick?

Originally Posted by mx5-kiwi
Also, photo of M3 for before and after reference necessary (actually, purely selfish grounds).
Here is a before photo. Zero aero.
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 06:39 AM
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I used foam core(s) from Rocketship Systems/Flying Foam in S1223RTL. I had them put a ~25mm hole throught the chord (spanwise) for an aluminium tube to provide additional strengthening for the mounts. In my last iteration I used turned aluminium inserts for the tube with threaded rod through it, the outer diameter equalling the chord depth - this was tapped to take bolts to hold the endplates (a sensitive subject for me, don't ask). All my wings were done with wet hand layups, with mixed results but usually serviceable.

Endplate mounts need as much, if not more, consideration than the wing mounts, due to the smaller dimensions in play - don't underestimate the bending forces, or the distance an endplate will travel at terminal velocity if it detaches ...

These are the mounts I made for the endplates

Last edited by Gee Emm; Feb 5, 2018 at 04:37 PM. Reason: updated with link to endplate mounts
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 09:48 AM
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What usually went wrong during your CF wet layup that only yielded "serviceable" results as opposed to good results? How many layers/thicknesses did you try?

My wing has two aluminum spars going through it. 1" toward the front and a much smaller one toward the rear. For now end plates will be bolted to the end of the wing section. Once a design is settled upon I may bond it to the end of the wing in addition to bolting.
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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I take it you have seen my 3D printed wing posted back in this thread somewhere. I printed with pla plastic and its still as good as when it came off the printer. Super light and very strong I don't think it really needs any CF wrapping.
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:07 AM
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No I must not have made it that far in this thread yet!

How did you bond the sections together? I was thinking structural epoxy.
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 10:14 AM
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Superglue

https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...1/#post1223540
Old Feb 5, 2018 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by noturavgM
What usually went wrong during your CF wet layup that only yielded "serviceable" results as opposed to good results? How many layers/thicknesses did you try?

My wing has two aluminum spars going through it. 1" toward the front and a much smaller one toward the rear. For now end plates will be bolted to the end of the wing section. Once a design is settled upon I may bond it to the end of the wing in addition to bolting.
I think my main problem was wrong epoxy formulation - dried too quickly, not enough time to work a batch properly leading to rushing. I got bubbling, maybe a lack of adhesion (poor prep perhaps).

I will edit my post above to include a photo of the fittings used to mount the endplates.
Old Feb 7, 2018 | 04:34 PM
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Not DIY, but if anyone is looking for inspiration ...
Old Feb 7, 2018 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by doward
Bumper delete was the most important thing we did to Bullet.
Originally Posted by Blackbird
Important, yes.
But more important than installing Creampuff's end plates and my BRAND NEW 245 A7's?
Originally Posted by doward
Tongue firmly in cheek.
Thanks guys. That's really all I needed to hear, especially from some of the most experienced people here.

I'll deff by using one of my "significant rear aero mod" points for the bumper delete with a big 2D wing. Looking forward to noting the changes. I take telemetry every race so I'll see if I can get some real data before and after.
Old Feb 12, 2018 | 03:50 PM
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Can anyone identify this airfoil? Thoughts on it?

Old Feb 12, 2018 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisLol
Can anyone identify this airfoil? Thoughts on it?
Looks like lnv109a, just a bad rendition of it
Old Feb 12, 2018 | 06:00 PM
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Looks like it was made in mspaint.
Old Feb 12, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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That looks like a reflaxed camber airfoil. I think the intention of that design is to make it work at a wide range of angles of attack, but Im not 100% on that
I wouldnt think it would work particularily well for this purpose. Low downforce, high drag.
Old Feb 14, 2018 | 03:34 PM
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Thanks guys

Originally Posted by jpreston
Looks like it was made in mspaint.
I had a similar thought but I'm no expert so I wanted to consult some.
Old Mar 4, 2018 | 02:59 PM
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View this announcement by the designer of my wing...

Old Mar 7, 2018 | 02:46 PM
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My Fastbacks have gone into production. It's a great piece to Miata aero efficiency. Lowers drag, allows perfect airflow to an airfoil so the laminar flow is undisturbed unlike a hardtop, or worse, no roof. Lowers the cod as it removes over 48lbs from high up on the car. Changes the look of the car for the better. And it's also weather proof. What more could you want?
And priced from $990 US plus shipping. Full kit is $1400 US.





Old Mar 7, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lightyear
My Fastbacks have gone into production. It's a great piece to Miata aero efficiency. Lowers drag, allows perfect airflow to an airfoil so the laminar flow is undisturbed unlike a hardtop, or worse, no roof. Lowers the cod as it removes over 48lbs from high up on the car. Changes the look of the car for the better. And it's also weather proof. What more could you want?
And priced from $990 US plus shipping. Full kit is $1400 US.
The design is better and not hating on it, but I am a stickler for proper verbiage. The flow on the fastback will not be laminar unless driving at very low speeds. Airflow around a car is almost always turbulent at speeds above 30mph
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 03:08 PM
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NA and NB?
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 03:09 PM
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I have video proof, with the windows up, the air flowing over the roof is undisturbed. I have GPS data showing top speed increases as well.



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