Power Potential of Turbo vs. Motor... Uh, maybe not the best title
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Power Potential of Turbo vs. Motor... Uh, maybe not the best title
So I may be subject to being put on blast for this as I haven't researched, but I may also be a little buzzed...
When a motor is built it is assumed that higher boost may be used, but why? I am comparing the puny 2554 output at 15psi to say a 2560 at 12psi, and I am not sure (in my current state) why, if a 1.6 can handle a 2560 at 12psi relative to power output of the motor why it couldn't take a 2554 at 15psi; or could it?
In any discussion I have seen about selecting the right turbo for a built motor, it seems to be stated that the big power guys say ditch the 2860 'cuz the motor can handle high psi of a bigger more powerful turbo and the track guys go with the 2860 only for heat.
can I has mor booosht? Really probably not going to do it either way, just curious to be spoon fed. please and thank you.
When a motor is built it is assumed that higher boost may be used, but why? I am comparing the puny 2554 output at 15psi to say a 2560 at 12psi, and I am not sure (in my current state) why, if a 1.6 can handle a 2560 at 12psi relative to power output of the motor why it couldn't take a 2554 at 15psi; or could it?
In any discussion I have seen about selecting the right turbo for a built motor, it seems to be stated that the big power guys say ditch the 2860 'cuz the motor can handle high psi of a bigger more powerful turbo and the track guys go with the 2860 only for heat.
can I has mor booosht? Really probably not going to do it either way, just curious to be spoon fed. please and thank you.
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I think I get you. Think of a straw vs tube. 15 psi out of a straw wouldn't be too much but out of a 3" tube would be a considerable amount of force. Now the rods bend at the same torque figures, about 225ish for stock, so 15psi out of a 2554, or 8psi out of one of the larger turbos.
However, I can't tell you why, but I seem to remember there being a reason why the same power with less pressure in a bigger turbo is better, even after ignoring head room and compressor efficiency maps. Someone better than I will have to comment.
Edit: wait, does it have something to do with p=v*t or whatever? Cause more pressure with the same volume would equal more heat.
However, I can't tell you why, but I seem to remember there being a reason why the same power with less pressure in a bigger turbo is better, even after ignoring head room and compressor efficiency maps. Someone better than I will have to comment.
Edit: wait, does it have something to do with p=v*t or whatever? Cause more pressure with the same volume would equal more heat.
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OMFG you little turbo crybaby ------s never shut up about this ****. Try vagina, seriously. I want a turbo that won't make target boost earlier than 3500rpm. That way I can get a larger turbine housing to make real torque.
I am a turboless ------.
I am a turboless ------.
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IMO, you first get a power goal, then you figure out the smallest turbo that will meet that power goal without having to seriously over stress the turbo. IE if you want to make 230 wheel, you can squeeze that out of a td04-13t, but you'll have to run right up to or maybe past the edge of the compressor map.
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Pressure build heat. Heat is stress. Little turbos spool fast and blow hot air at the top. Big turbos blow hurricane status at a lower pressure with cool air but take a bit longer to get there. It's all a balance.
EFRs blow unicorn farts that spool instantly with air from the arctic. Compressor map gives me wood but makes my wallet hurt. Maybe next season...
EFRs blow unicorn farts that spool instantly with air from the arctic. Compressor map gives me wood but makes my wallet hurt. Maybe next season...