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Old 03-06-2012, 09:05 PM
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I think this is my third post. I am proud of myself. Here is my low pressure junk. Any questions please read my first post in the introduction section.



Btw would it be worth while to ditch the AFPR for a Powercard? I'm sorry to ask a relevant question, but this is Miataturbo.net, I'm running a supercharger (and a lame one at that) and I'm trying not to fit in.
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cool username. really clean setup, id go with a megasquirt everyone else does and for good reason.
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I see some air, you've got more work to do.

Wire tuck antonyms: see Fukalyal's bay.
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Originally Posted by curly View Post
I see some air, you've got more work to do.

Wire tuck antonyms: see Fukalyal's bay.
LOL. Original comment! I can't imagine doing a tuck although I've seen them and good ones look elemental, clean, awesome. Any reference how to links that are favorites of yours (here comes the "Search rookie" reply)
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Originally Posted by samwu8k View Post
cool username. really clean setup, id go with a megasquirt everyone else does and for good reason.
+1 on the MS

There is no way that valve cover stays clean...
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Originally Posted by samwu8k View Post
cool username. really clean setup, id go with a megasquirt everyone else does and for good reason.
I've done a ton of lurking, reading and searching on MS. I know I'd do the MSPNP setup and I don't mind screwing around with a laptop. But:

This car oviously isn't a racer (I know, what the heck am I doing in here, get over it). My concerns with MSPNP are idle quality, cold start and drivability. I don't care about emissions as the car is old enough it's emissions testing exempt.

Regarding the MS, I know you can eliminate the AFM and go to the standard GM mass air flow sensor stuck in a tube, go to larger injectors, I would add a larger pulley on the crank, an intercooler and look for 8-9 psi because this is just an M45 after all. It should be totally doable.

But concensus seems to be: MS for sure if you are a racer. MS on the street, you'd better have some skill at tuning. All the stuff I have read left me on the fence.

I can't think of a better place to ask about megasquirt than a forum full of racers, or a better place to be told to GTFO due to not using the search button, so here goes: Can MS be done on the street OK or am I just being a wimp about it? Are there any shops or privateers on the East Coast that would be able to help tune it?
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Originally Posted by palmtree View Post
There is no way that valve cover stays clean...
You should see my wheels if you think there's no way something simple like the valve cover stays clean. I'm not going to post any pics of those because I don't want to get kicked out of here before I hit at least 10 posts
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Originally Posted by Fukalyal View Post
My concerns with MSPNP are idle quality, cold start and drivability. I don't care about emissions as the car is old enough it's emissions testing exempt.
This is exactly why you SHOULD go ms. My car could not idle worth dick and would die at stoplights with my old bandaid setup. With my MS, and a few hours of ------- around with it and reading a ton, my car idles amazing. Cold starts amazing, and idle doesnt drop out at stoplights when i push in the clutch.

Also, I'm by no means a "racer". My car is DD/canyon carver.
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Originally Posted by Fukalyal View Post

<<<snip snip>>>

But concensus seems to be: MS for sure if you are a racer. MS on the street, you'd better have some skill at tuning. All the stuff I have read left me on the fence.
dunno how you got that impression if you have been lurking for any length of time. the general consensus here is that if you drive your car ANYWHERE you should get on the MS bandwagon.



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<<<snip snip>>>

Can MS be done on the street OK or am I just being a wimp about it? Are there any shops or privateers on the East Coast that would be able to help tune it?
yes, you are a being a bitch about it.

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Originally Posted by Fukalyal View Post
You should see my wheels if you think there's no way something simple like the valve cover stays clean. I'm not going to post any pics of those because I don't want to get kicked out of here before I hit at least 10 posts
I'm not hating, to each their own. I just think that would be a bitch and a half to keep clean. lol. What wheels do you have??

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yes, you are a being a bitch about it.

welcome aboard :-)
+1

MS is NOT just for racers. I have a MS on my DD, and when I get another miata, the first mod will be a MS. There is a steep learning curve, and I am still learning a ---- ton, but the capabilities of the MS are well worth it and for such a small price tag compared to other standalones, there's no question.
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For the love of Christ, don't **** money away on bandAIDS. Buy/build/steal a MS and just do it right the first time.
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I have an MS2 and 650cc injectors for sale. PM me.
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Originally Posted by palmtree View Post
What wheels do you have??
Uhhmm... let me get to 10 posts of enjoyment out of this before I post them. Based on other things I've seen on here it will result in instant carnage like sticking a skinned, bloody limb into a pool of phiranas. I need to get some info out of this thread first and then get my first aid kit ready.

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yes, you are a being a bitch about it.
Originally Posted by palmtree View Post
MS is NOT just for racers. I have a MS on my DD, and when I get another miata, the first mod will be a MS.
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For the love of Christ, don't **** money away on bandAIDS. Buy/build/steal a MS and just do it right the first time.
Shyt, I was afraid I was on the wrong path and it also looks like I'm in the right place. Thanks

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I have an MS2 and 650cc injectors for sale. PM me.
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Really like the Randall intake you have. Very clean.
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Thanks. Between the temp reduction of ambient air and my J&S pulling out less timing due to less knock, it showed an 8hp difference on the dynamometer hood open vs hood closed, which on the street should be the same difference between the stock filter and this setup.

The key is the PRM inline air filter (Subie crowd item) and the plastic snorkel going through the firewall to pull the cold air from in front of the windshield. The plastic snorkel in the pic is a CNC machined and plastic welded prototype as I had planned to mass produce it via Rotomolding aka same way as all the Jackson plastic items, kiddie furniture, etc.

The tooling cost was $1300 and after that the production cost was only $2.50 each. When I got done with the math it would have been a $350 kit with almost no margin and I also realized these cars are so old now few put good money into them, most do this with dryer hose, elmer's glue and a wad of squirrel fur blown in for insulation.

I never took the plunge to production but the piece is and works slick. It pulls like he!! on cold days and the crossover tube is only warm to the touch as well.
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I actually purchased one of those inline filters from PRM last year to try and rig up something similar... I saw your car on miata.net a while back and it inspired me After I bought it I ended up just sticking with the stock intake setup on my rotrex. Not sure at what point, but I don't think it would take a whole lot before this becomes an intake restriction...
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Originally Posted by curly View Post
I see some air, you've got more work to do.

Wire tuck antonyms: see Fukalyal's bay.

Yes you are supposed to tuck your wires so you can rape your motor with other hoses. E.g.,

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Clean cowl induction setup. What sort of filter is that ?
Ditch maf and Powercard plans and go Adaptronic or MSx
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