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emilio700 12-27-2021 01:17 PM

863 bronze bushings @ Supermiata
 
Announcing our new 863 suspension bushing kit for the NA/NB. We have been working on these for quite a while. Taking orders now. First kits should ship mid February 2022

Supermiata 863 Suspension Bushing Kit 90-05 MX5 Miata

The SAE 863 "Super Oilite" bronze bushings are positioned in between the steel pin and urethane. This system eliminates the binding of rubber and friction of traditional urethane bushings.
The metal part of the kit will be available separately for those of you that already have an Energy or Prothane kit on your car and want to upgrade.

85A durometer urethane
4130 heat treated Cr-Mo pins with Ra 32 finish (shiny)
Custom cast 863 bronze bushings
Optional zerks

3 year warranty

Video goes into more detail and includes comparisons to other types of bushings.


thebeerbaron 12-27-2021 02:24 PM

Order placed. You really need to look into making direct deposit available from my paycheck...

turbofan 12-27-2021 02:53 PM

:giggle:

rwyatt365 12-27-2021 05:02 PM

Just when my wallet was starting to recover...

One question; I have RUCA's fitted with eccentric bolts and guides so that I can get better rear camber. The eccentrics are the same as are used on the FLCA and the diameter of the eccentric bolt shaft is bigger than the regular RUCA bolt. Is there enough "meat" on the steel insert for those bushings to be drilled out to accommodate that larger bolt?

emilio700 12-27-2021 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by rwyatt365 (Post 1614655)
Just when my wallet was starting to recover...

One question; I have RUCA's fitted with eccentric bolts and guides so that I can get better rear camber. The eccentrics are the same as are used on the FLCA and the diameter of the eccentric bolt shaft is bigger than the regular RUCA bolt. Is there enough "meat" on the steel insert for those bushings to be drilled out to accommodate that larger bolt?

You'll have to let us know. The bronze bits are very thin wall. I suspect it would work. FLCA sleeve ID is .500, RUCA-I is .406

x_25 12-27-2021 06:00 PM

Well, this makes the choice of what suspension bushings to go with a lot easier for me. Gonna be a bit before I am ready to order though.

Xids, forged front end kit, and now bushings..... Suspension by supermiata I guess.

Gee Emm 12-27-2021 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by rwyatt365 (Post 1614655)
Just when my wallet was starting to recover...

One question; I have RUCA's fitted with eccentric bolts and guides so that I can get better rear camber. The eccentrics are the same as are used on the FLCA and the diameter of the eccentric bolt shaft is bigger than the regular RUCA bolt. Is there enough "meat" on the steel insert for those bushings to be drilled out to accommodate that larger bolt?

I had that issue with my SADFAB poly/bronze. IIRC (it was a while ago) we just drilled the bore to 12mm (vs 10mm?). All good, no issues.

Fireindc 12-27-2021 06:45 PM

Been waiting for this. Pre-order placed.

rwyatt365 12-29-2021 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Gee Emm (Post 1614658)
I had that issue with my SADFAB poly/bronze. IIRC (it was a while ago) we just drilled the bore to 12mm (vs 10mm?). All good, no issues.

Measured the bolt for the adjuster on the outside of the RUCA, and it's just shy of 0.500 inch (0.497 to be exact). I'll take the chance and drill out those two inserts to fit (unless Emilio would be kind enough to swap out two RUCA-O steel inserts for two FLCA inserts). No matter what, I'm ordering!

HarryB 12-29-2021 11:03 AM

Link no work :(

emilio700 12-29-2021 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1614728)
Link no work :(

Supermiata 863 Suspension Bushing Kit 90-05 MX5 Miata

oops. Fixed OP. Sorry!

rwyatt365 12-30-2021 06:16 AM

Order placed!

turbofan 12-30-2021 11:17 AM

:party:

Getting close to selling out the first batch.

HarryB 12-31-2021 04:32 AM

Potentially silly question. I understand all the benefits of this setup vs everything else, and I am totally sold on it for a track car. How does maintenance look like in terms of cleaning/re-greasing for a street car though? Was about to install OEM rubber replacement bushings next week, but I now have doubts...

Gee Emm 12-31-2021 05:18 AM

My SADFAB poly/bronze kit has been in over three years. No noise, no issues, just a bit of grease. Not a lot of Ks though, OTOH I have a 2km dirt road to my place, so 4km of dirt every time I use the car which should have exacerbated any wear issues but nothing apparent yet.

There may be a difference in the wear characteristics of the bronze sleeves used in the two kits, but I'd be surprised if it made any material difference to wear rates - and with replacement of the sleeves a straightforward exercise it should be no big deal anyway.

Log story short - don't hesitate, poly/bronze rocks.

rwyatt365 12-31-2021 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Gee Emm (Post 1614843)
My SADFAB poly/bronze kit has been in over three years. No noise, no issues, just a bit of grease. Not a lot of Ks though, OTOH I have a 2km dirt road to my place, so 4km of dirt every time I use the car which should have exacerbated any wear issues but nothing apparent yet.

There may be a difference in the wear characteristics of the bronze sleeves used in the two kits, but I'd be surprised if it made any material difference to wear rates - and with replacement of the sleeves a straightforward exercise it should be no big deal anyway.

Log story short - don't hesitate, poly/bronze rocks.

I'd tend to agree. Keep them greased (once a year - "spring maintenance") and you should be good to go.

emilio700 12-31-2021 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by HarryB (Post 1614841)
Potentially silly question. I understand all the benefits of this setup vs everything else, and I am totally sold on it for a track car. How does maintenance look like in terms of cleaning/re-greasing for a street car though? Was about to install OEM rubber replacement bushings next week, but I now have doubts...

Hit the zerks with a grease gun every year or two. In 5 or 10 years depending on your use, replace the 863 bronze bits. That's it.

emilio700 01-04-2022 01:59 PM

First batch sold out.
Now taking pre-orders for the second production batch shipping early March

rwyatt365 01-04-2022 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1615014)
First batch sold out.
Now taking pre-orders for the second production batch shipping early March

For the first time EVER, I got in on the ground floor!!

"When the moon is in the 7th House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars..." (and all of that other hippie crap).

thebeerbaron 02-14-2022 12:20 PM

Received my kit over the weekend. And wow, this kit represents a shit-ton of work from SM.

As advised, I took the time to sort and count all the components of the kit. Packing these must be a special kind of hell, because checking the contents took quite a bit of work. Not a complaint at all, in fact, it’s a testament to the level of thought and detail that goes into these. This isn’t generic in any way: nothing cut-down from a higher-volume part, or “close enough”. It’s 100% as-designed.

A cheap pair of calipers, digital or vernier, are definitely required. Some of the markings on the bushings are really difficult to read - and there’s no way around that. I thought my kit had a screw-up in it, but it turns out I misread a 9 as an 8. Thank goodness for the measurements in the instructions. The numbers cast into the bushings are on a non-critical surface, so they’re not finished post-molding, and the depth/readability of the numbers had to be sacrificed in order to get the critical surfaces right*.

I won’t be putting these on for a couple months so I can’t review the results, but I can tell the engineering and quality are exactly what I expect from SM.

*my assumption, based on limited tangential experience.


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