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Old 08-15-2008, 04:08 PM   #21
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Miatas tend to have a less-than-optimum braking bias. Try using stock pads up front and something a little more aggressive in the back. I personally run Hawks in the back.

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I just put brakes on my "new" 94 and ran it Sunday. I put OE-style pads up front and HP+ in the back as was recommended by a lot of people on m.net, and I don't like it at all. I'm going to go to either HPS or HP+ up front. I ran HP+ on my previous cars, and just don't like the bite using the OE level pads up front. YMMV.
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For $60 per axle, I'm just gonna opt for the Hawk pads at $68. You live and you learn.
You're convinced this thing is a Camaro aren't you??
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Old 08-15-2008, 08:33 PM   #23
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I dont know why ANYBODY would run staggered pads when they are in SM2 anyway. Where a proper proportioning valve is legal.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:39 AM   #24
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Me neither, but at least the front pads were cheap... I should've trusted my instincts.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:54 PM   #25
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Carbotech Bobcats. They're ceramic, don't dust or squeel and stop on a dime. They also have pretty good longevity. IMHO they are a street/autox pad that can't be beat.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:58 AM   #26
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You're convinced this thing is a Camaro aren't you??
I've yet to drive it, or any Miata for that matter, so until I get wheel time, yeah, I'm just going about it as I have done in the past. I figure the power/weight ratio will be very similar to my Z28 anyway, granted, the suspension and chassis are total opposites.

I bought NAPA rotors, still trying to decide on pads.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:25 PM   #27
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anyone running NB with Axxis ultimates?
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Old 09-06-2008, 06:14 PM   #28
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Went w/ Napa pads (ultimate 8) as well.... still no wheel time though, walbro didn't solve my problem!

car still no start :(
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I've been running the Axxis ultimates for 6 months or so, i really recommend them.

I don't do Autocross, but the tracks here are very tight and twisty basically slightly large go-kart tracks or actual go-kart tracks.

Even with no engine breaking (Auto) and around 220bhp the brakes are great for a 15-20 min session with no fade.
I can't do that on stock pads.


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power/weight will be very similar, but because your camaro is much heavier, it'll eat through pads and tires like crazy. which is why camaros, firebirds, and corvettes have that reputation.

I have the NAPA rotor & Hawk HPS pad combo, along with FM stainless steel lines. its an awesome setup, but I do only run track days, not autocross, so I'm taking the first lap to heat up my tires and supposedly the brakes. who knows if they're any good cold, I just know the tires aren't.

P.S. my friend upgraded his '91 firebird to C5 front brakes and C5 wheels/tires. those brakes are huge, best $750 he spent.
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In classing if you swap to a C5 setup on an F-Body it bumps you into SM I believe. I know I cannot afford to get past ESP in my Camaro which is why I've ran STX also. My Camaro still needs about $4k invested to actually compete in ESP ($4k to pickup 3-5 seconds? OUCH!) I'm upgrading from the stock LT1 setup to the LS1 setup. That's legal in ESP.

I might end up buying HAWKS still too, just gotta wait and see how things go. I get amazing pricing on NAPA parts since they're a vendor of mine, so I couldn't beat it. Oops, just realized I got their PBR pads, $31 front list at $56, rear pads list $42 my cost $22, front rotors $16ea list $31, rear rotors list $20 my price $12ea

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Miatas tend to have a less-than-optimum braking bias. Try using stock pads up front and something a little more aggressive in the back. I personally run Hawks in the back.

HIH
I second that.
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There's a guy who autocrosses where I do (up in Marina) with a JRSC'ed 90. He runs Axxis Ultimates up front and Hawk Blues in the rear on 1.8 brakes and swears by it. He also took FTD at the last event.
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I autocrossed for about 4 years w/ Axxis Ultimates and really loved them on my 97 w/ ABS.

This year I switched to Hawk HP+ and think they're considerably better. They do make a bit more noise, but I feel a bit more confident. Plus, with the potential of track days looming in my future, I figured I'd buy a pad that could withstand track better than the Ultimates.

I do have SS lines and run ATE Superblue.
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There's a guy who autocrosses where I do (up in Marina) with a JRSC'ed 90. He runs Axxis Ultimates up front and Hawk Blues in the rear on 1.8 brakes and swears by it. He also took FTD at the last event.
Do you know if he is dragging the ebrake to get the Hawks up to temp?

I have Satisfied Grand Sport carbon/ceramic pads on my wife's n/a 96 that I did like 5 track days on earlier in the year. Even this pad, which is deemed a street-performance pad suffered from VERY POOR bite through the first 2-3 braking zones until heated up. It became a very good pad with some heat in it. To the op, do not underestimate the poor cold stop performance of a real race pad. You WILL NOT gain enough temp in autocross situations to get a race pad up to sufficient temp, unless maybe dragging the ebrake to get an aggressive rear pad up to temp.

+1 on the prop valve. Even with my wilwood valve on full rear brake, I still don't see a huge rear bias, but it definitely helps. If my car were a more dedicated SM2 car, I would go with a stock mazda front, probably hawk hp plus or black (or keep the carbotech xp8=dust) on the back, full rear prop, and drag ebrake to get heat in them. The carbotech xp8 all around setup I now have is surprisingly good street/track/autocross setup, but if only street/autocross, I would go with the above.

Edit to add: I switch between ATE super blue and Motul 600 (amber) so I can tell when I get a complete bleed. Also, the stainless lines add some bling, but for autocross save your shekels unless your rubbers are ****. Buy more better tires, instead!
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Edit to add: I switch between ATE super blue and Motul 600 (amber) so I can tell when I get a complete bleed. Also, the stainless lines add some bling, but for autocross save your shekels unless your rubbers are ****. Buy more better tires, instead!

I forgot to mention, I swap colors too. ATE has an amber/gold fluid.

Regarding the e-brake...I re-read Andy Hollis' Grassroots Motorsports write up yesterday. He mentioned they pulled up 2 clicks on the e-brake while driving up to start to heat the rear pads.
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Also, does anyone know if there is an aluminum driveshaft sold for these things? Can I swipe one from a different make/model?
If you just have to spend money, look at the bottom of this page

Carbon Fiber > aluminum
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