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Old 01-20-2010, 11:12 AM   #1
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I'm getting a new clutch. Old one was an ACT disc type. I have the 10.3# FM flywheel, it's resurfaced. I was automatically going to call FM to order their stage 2 kit, but should I cast a little deeper and look around at alternatives?

The ACT was fine WRT pedal pressure, and I didn't mind the low takeup. I also don't mind the light recip weight. I'll probably max out in the 300whp range, with lots and lots of autox and some track driving mixed in. I don't take it easy.

I looked at Emilio's superlight dual disc setup, but I don't THINK I want to spend that kind of money. Probably worth it though, right? That's at least 5# less than the light fw/FM clutch, no? Will I have to up the idle to counteract any droop? I wasn't getting much before.

I've read the neg feedback on the kevlar units, so that's out. Whatdyathink?
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Correct me if I am wrong here but Emilio's clutch is not intended for the street so maybe take that off your list depending on your use.
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I <3 XTSS. Would buy again.
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I enjoyed the FM clutch that Saint_foo fit on his '97, not sure if it was stage I or II, but it was easy to drive and held his 275rwhp.
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I <3 XTSS. Would buy again.
This.

Wasn't your old one an XT, or HD?
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:42 PM   #6
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Wasn't your old one an XT, or HD?
gosped, I don't know, can you tell from the pics? I will try to grab the number from the pp and see if it crosses. I'm not the original owner, so I'm a douche and don't know the specifics of this clutch.
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From the p.o.'s for sale on here: ACT Heavy Duty clutch. I guess XT>HD?
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Correct me if I am wrong here but Emilio's clutch is not intended for the street so maybe take that off your list depending on your use.
I don't care much about streetability, this isn't my daily. I only drive it to work when I want to menace the populace, almost no stop and go.

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I enjoyed the FM clutch that Saint_foo fit on his '97, not sure if it was stage I or II, but it was easy to drive and held his 275rwhp.
I've found that FM is very choosy with what they sell. I find it hard to believe that they would go from selling ACT to their own brand if it was a step down in quality.

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gosped, I don't know, can you tell from the pics? I will try to grab the number from the pp and see if it crosses. I'm not the original owner, so I'm a douche and don't know the specifics of this clutch.
ACT number on the pp was 080328131, which a quick goog search doesn't turn up anything. I'll go with it's an HD. Outside of ebay, is goodwin a good spot to get a good price on these clutches.

I've spent a lot of moneys on this build so far, now is not the time to cheap out. If someone has Emilio's sex in the round, hit me up (Savingaton). I don't want to wish I had it a few months from now.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but Emilio's clutch is not intended for the street so maybe take that off your list depending on your use.
the twin plate organic would probably be more streetable than the stoutest ACT or whatever offering. pedal effort is slightly over stock I'm guessing.
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949 clutch and flywheel
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the twin plate organic would probably be more streetable than the stoutest ACT or whatever offering. pedal effort is slightly over stock I'm guessing.
In terms of pedal effort, yeah it is probably less. But the pedal effort on the XTSS (what I have) is not bad at all even for a DD, and it is much less expensive. Looking at just those two options, and the cost, I would go with the XTSS.

Honestly I really do not know what the big deal is on pedal effort on the XT. I think it is overstated in some cases, having owned stock, HD, and XT.

Do not get me wrong, Emilio's dual disc setup is beautiful. If money were no object I would consider it as well.

EDIT: These guys sell ACT at a good price. I bought my HD from them. Shop around though.
http://www.carolinaclutch.com/

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the pedal effort on the XTSS (what I have) is not bad at all even for a DD, and it is much less expensive. Looking at just those two options, and the cost, I would go with the XTSS. This

Honestly I really do not know what the big deal is on pedal effort on the XT. I think it is overstated in some cases, having owned stock, HD, and XT.
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the pedal effort is significantly noticeable on the Xt over the HD.... why making driving harder with extra effort? if the FMII is a light pedal, engages like stock, yet holds massive torque...then why would you use anything that's an extra burden for no reason when you drive?

I've driven both, HD is as light as stock, XT is not. the end.
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I'm not saying they are not different. I am saying the difference is not big enough to be a big deal IMO, and certainly should not be the deciding factor in buying the twin disc setup.

Man, once again we are collectively beating the clutch horse. Seems like I recall some previous discussions on clutch selection that would cover the OPs question...
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I think a search would have found everything we are rehashing as well.

I got my XT used, for a steal, and was beyond happy to sell the eBay 6puck I had spent almost as much on.

ACT engages like stock...period. Yes, the XT is a little harder than stock. You notice it at first, but get used to it quickly and it then becomes the norm, like when I switched from right hand to left.

I don't understand the need for a superlight clutch anyhow. I like knowing the pedal is fighting back a little. Then again I'm jacked and think there's NOTHING wrong with a depowered rack...
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the twins aren't for weight savings, they're for power holding. it just happens that they are very civilized because of having two clutch plates. If you never want more than 300 flywheel torque and aren't also replacing your flywheel, it's not economically justified.
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the twins aren't for weight savings, they're for power holding. it just happens that they are very civilized because of having two clutch plates. If you never want more than 300 flywheel torque and aren't also replacing your flywheel, it's not economically justified.
Added bonus for the 949 setup is that they are probably lighter than any other combo, and smaller in diameter for that polar moment thing. But the cost, especially considering I already have a flywheel that's been newly resurfaced...

Looks like realistically I am between an FM stage 2 and ACT XT, disc type. I'm kind of leaning toward the FM, just so that I can try something different than what I had/have. Plus, at least getting the ACT XT from Goodwin, the FM stage 2 is cheaper. When does that happen?
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Yes, the XT is a little harder than stock. You notice it at first, but get used to it quickly and it then becomes the norm, like when I switched from right hand to left.

Switched from right to left for what?

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I like knowing the pedal is fighting back a little. Then again I'm jacked and think there's NOTHING wrong with a depowered rack...
to your mother. I like a little extra clutch effort, and the depowered rack. To each his own. I heard Hustler put a suspension spring under his clutch pedal just for the extra quad/calf workout.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but Emilio's clutch is not intended for the street so maybe take that off your list depending on your use.
On the contrary. The twin 7.25 organic will modulate better than any single disc with the same torque capacity, and better than most with half the capacity. You just have to get used to an engine that revs a lot quicker. Great street setup for someone that wants to positively eliminate any slip on sub 350whp cars, be smooth enough for the GF/SO to drive and allow it to rev like bike. The only downside of the twin 7.25 is cost. Functionally, it's a win-win.
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I stand corrected. Sorry Emilio. I lust for your clutch, and several other 949 products.
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