Notices
Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain discuss the wondrous effects of boost and your miata...
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 949 Racing

drivers side front tire rubbing in wheel well

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 12:37 PM
  #1  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default drivers side front tire rubbing in wheel well

I am getting contact between my front driver's side tire and the inner wheel well. This happens on a hard corner or when I hit a dip in the road. It is a brief rub but has already worn a small hole in the fender liner. I had my local miata specialist check the alignment and it had not deviated from its settings which are approximately the 949 rated dual use:

Front camber: -2.5°
Caster: +3.5 ~ 4.0°
Front total toe: 0

Rear camber : -2.0°
Rear total toe: + 1/8", .06"

The shop said that the dampening needed to be increased. I did this and it still rubs . I am also running XIDA CS coilovers with 550 front springs and Bauer front ball joints. Handling feels fine, and there is no evidence that the coilover is leaking. Wheels are 15x8 6ULs running 205-50-15 tires.

What am I missing here?

Thanks
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 12:43 PM
  #2  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

You have much travel (This is a good thing). If you're worried about your inner fender liner, you need to limit that travel. You can sorta do this with heavier springs (wouldn't actually limit travel, but maybe limit the amount of times you are able to compress that far), or with longer/stiffer bumpstops.
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 06:05 PM
  #3  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

thanks for the reply. I need to take a close look at this coilover. I did not see any evidence that the dampener was leaking (no dust collecting below the shaft etc). Have not heard of hyperco springs losing their rate. Wondering if a degraded bumpstop could cause this? Lots of travel that can no longer stop on a bump stop.
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 06:15 PM
  #4  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

Degraded bumpstop sure, or the car is just that much heavier on that side. Or you're driving the car harder as you get used to it.

This isn't something that's happening on normal sedate commuting, right?
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 06:28 PM
  #5  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

It is happening on when I am at least going 45 mph , straight road with a slight dip in the lane. I hear the tire scrub the wheel well. I am not any heavier (actually lighter) so something has changed that is allowing the car to rub. Will shoot 949 an email about the bumpstops.
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 06:30 PM
  #6  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

What's your pinch weld height?
Old Mar 20, 2018 | 12:08 PM
  #7  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

Pinch weld is a bit bent on the driver's side so I measured on each side of it to the ground . Both measurements gave me 4.6".
Old Mar 20, 2018 | 12:25 PM
  #8  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

So it would be 4.6" minus how "proud" the pinch weld is?

That's a bit low for those rates IMO, but doesn't explain why it was good before, but not now. Sorry i don't have a magic bullet. :(
Old Mar 20, 2018 | 03:30 PM
  #9  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

Definitely a proud pinch weld! I need to bend it back with some vice grips. Measurement was taken just on the other side of the pinch weld where the rail was straight. So how low do you think the front should be?
Old Mar 20, 2018 | 03:31 PM
  #10  
concealer404's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,917
Total Cats: 2,206
Default

If it were ME, i'd probably run 4.75-5" at pinch weld with those rates if fender liners are a concern.
Old Mar 21, 2018 | 01:23 PM
  #11  
emilio700's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,626
Total Cats: 2,618
Default

Xida Race + remove liners = profit
__________________


www.facebook.com/SuperMiata

949RACING.COM Home of the 6UL wheel

.33 SNR
Old Mar 21, 2018 | 07:00 PM
  #12  
Nick_Tampa's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 17
Total Cats: 0
Default

Originally Posted by emilio700
Xida Race + remove liners = profit
Fender liners are definitely overrated

In all seriousness, Id say try to come up a little bit, but if you're rubbing that easily (at least it sounds like you're hitting the dip too hard), then even raising a little is still going to rub when driving aggressively. Either going to have to go up quite a bit to be safe, or look at a higher spring rate (which is going to have its own drawbacks)
Old Mar 22, 2018 | 05:07 PM
  #13  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

Originally Posted by emilio700
Xida Race + remove liners = profit
Trade in allowance for XIDA CS?
Old Mar 22, 2018 | 05:58 PM
  #14  
emilio700's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,626
Total Cats: 2,618
Default

Originally Posted by hox
Trade in allowance for XIDA CS?
Same shock & springs. https://supermiata.com/xida-mount-miata.aspx
__________________


www.facebook.com/SuperMiata

949RACING.COM Home of the 6UL wheel

.33 SNR
Old Mar 22, 2018 | 10:46 PM
  #15  
Junkwhale's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 190
Total Cats: 20
Default

Originally Posted by hox
The shop said that the dampening needed to be increased
Making them wet won't improve the situation.

The correct answer though is stiffer or longer bump stops - they should be what limits travel at max compression, not your tire. As others have mentioned stiffer springs or more ride height might stop you getting there as frequently too.
Old Mar 23, 2018 | 05:20 PM
  #16  
hox's Avatar
hox
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 81
Total Cats: 4
From: Portland,OR
Default

Thanks for the comments everyone. First step will be a small increase in ride height.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
deezums
WTB
3
Dec 20, 2015 02:17 PM
aCab
Race Prep
21
Dec 7, 2015 05:01 PM
Dobs
Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain
11
Aug 7, 2014 06:42 PM
Rushin
WTB
1
Nov 28, 2009 08:18 PM
UrbanSoot
General Miata Chat
19
Mar 10, 2008 12:37 PM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:29 AM.