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Old 03-11-2014, 06:43 PM   #1
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Default Ebay springs. Color to rate?

Ok, so i saw the other thread were someone measured the rates of four 7" red springs.

I also saw where the "blue" speed daddy setup is supposed to be a 450/325.

Seen here: Front Rear Aluminum Scaled coilover 0 3" Spring Kit 90 97 Miata MX 5 MX5 NA Blue | eBay


Silver Ilovetacotaco set: 90 97 Mazda Miata Scale coilover Springs lowering Silvr | eBay


Red Speed Daddy: 89 99 Mazda Miata MX5 MX 5 Roadster Adjustable Scaled Black coilover Red Springs | eBay

Red "Charismatic Racing": 89 98 Miata NA MX5 MX 5 Adjustable Scaled 1 4"Black coilover Red lowering Spring | eBay



Things i'm noticing: The red ones are longer. (in pictures.)


Are these really all the same? What was the source for the ebay 7" 550lb springs shown in the other thread?
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I have the feel that you're going to do something silly in the name of being cheap and its going to end up costing more than not being cheap, I got to watch this.

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I have the feel that you're going to do something silly in the name of being cheap and its going to end up costing more than not being cheap, I got to watch this.



No... the idea here is to take a gamble on some springs, with the realization that i might have to spend $80 or less to get some used Eibachs down on Gasoline Alley that are exactly what i want.
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Right because **** you and your cheap local spring source.
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Maybe i'll grab a couple $20 double handfuls of -AN fittings while i'm there, too.
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I don't think there's any way to know before you buy with EBay. I'd just buy one of those $40 sets and count on buying at least a pair of springs.

Or find a place locally. There's a ricer shop near me that has the same style of coilover sleeves for sale at $65 for a set, so I walked in with a tape measure and found that they were 7" sleeves with 6.5" springs and 10k/6k spring rates. The guy wouldn't sell them to me because they're "for a Honda Civic, not a Miata", but I'll just head back on another day and say I drive a honderp.
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I suggest asking in here: The Quintessential Ebay Coilover Thread - Page 83 - MX-5 Miata Forum

this thread is devoted to spending lots of time/money/effort on a subpar suspension.
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I don't think there's any way to know before you buy with EBay. I'd just buy one of those $40 sets and count on buying at least a pair of springs.

Or find a place locally. There's a ricer shop near me that has the same style of coilover sleeves for sale at $65 for a set, so I walked in with a tape measure and found that they were 7" sleeves with 6.5" springs and 10k/6k spring rates. The guy wouldn't sell them to me because they're "for a Honda Civic, not a Miata", but I'll just head back on another day and say I drive a honderp.
Yeah i know it's a gamble either way, i'm just trying to improve the odds a little.

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I suggest asking in here: The Quintessential Ebay Coilover Thread - Page 83 - MX-5 Miata Forum

this thread is devoted to spending lots of time/money/effort on a subpar suspension.

How well do your Xidas perform on a day to day basis?
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How well do your Xidas perform on a day to day basis?
On some days they just dont perform at all, it's weird.




It was a sincere response, a lot of members have bought and measured the rates from various ebay sellers and found the ideal ones to buy.
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Heh, i did already post it over there. Which means i now have a bad taste in my mouth.
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Ok finding some info. The blue speed daddy kit was tested at 450/325.

The silver setup is 7" long springs, all are 525lbs. (WTF?)

More to come, but i've already sourced some QA1s in better rates as a backup plan anyways. Pulled the trigger on the blue Speed Daddy kit.
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QA1s are shitty too.
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As long as they don't bind, i don't give a ****. I also got them for cheap enough that: I don't give a ****. But yes, i'm aware that QA1s aren't the pinnacle of spring design and blah blah blah, but mostly they suck because redneck dirt trackers use them. We also run them on the Escort, on your favorite shock ever: The Koni Yellow.

If they suck, i'll go get some Hypercos or Eibachs for as much as it costs me to take the wife out to Bdubs.
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this thread is devoted to spending lots of time/money/effort on a subpar suspension.
I'm not sure I understand this.
$200 shocks
$300 revalve
$40 sleeves
$160 springs
$50 custom top hats
$30 bump stops
Brings you out under $800.

That's V-Maxx money for what's effectively the same performance as Xidas. They're not adjustable, sure, but your springs aren't adjustable either so what does it matter? I'm not saying people shouldn't buy from Emilio, I'm just saying that this is a valid alternative for those of us whose money is worth more than our time.
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I'm not sure I understand this.
$200 shocks
$300 revalve
$40 sleeves
$160 springs
$50 custom top hats
$30 bump stops
Brings you out under $800.

That's V-Maxx money for what's effectively the same performance as Xidas. They're not adjustable, sure, but your springs aren't adjustable either so what does it matter? I'm not saying people shouldn't buy from Emilio, I'm just saying that this is a valid alternative for those of us whose money is worth more than our time.

No he's saying that he didn't like all the fiddling and got midrange Teins instead.


His comments didn't bug me, but i do have to laugh a little at "effectively the same performance as Xidas."

Not true.

But no worries... Xidas aren't my target. Vmaxx "Track" are my target, just for like.... 1/3rd the price.
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I'm not sure I understand this.
$200 shocks
$300 revalve
$40 sleeves
$160 springs
$50 custom top hats
$30 bump stops
Brings you out under $800.

That's V-Maxx money for what's effectively the same performance as Xidas. They're not adjustable, sure, but your springs aren't adjustable either so what does it matter? I'm not saying people shouldn't buy from Emilio, I'm just saying that this is a valid alternative for those of us whose money is worth more than our time.
hold on...same performance as Xidas? wtf? I highly doubt that...

what $200 shocks are you revalving anyway? Bilsteins are $400 and you won't find any "custom" top hats for $50 unless you mean $50 per corner. Same with sleeves. Same with bump stops...

misinformed or a troll.

Anyways, I am on QA1 springs. Couldn't complain really. Better than having to guess at ebay spring rates, but I guess thats not too hard now that people have dyno'd them. If you want different rates though, QA1s are probably not a bad choice.
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That's V-Maxx money for what's effectively the same performance as Xidas.

Thanks for the laugh.

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hold on...same performance as Xidas? wtf? I highly doubt that...

what $200 shocks are you revalving anyway? Bilsteins are $400 and you won't find any "custom" top hats for $50 unless you mean $50 per corner. Same with sleeves. Same with bump stops...

misinformed or a troll.

Anyways, I am on QA1 springs. Couldn't complain really. Better than having to guess at ebay spring rates, but I guess thats not too hard now that people have dyno'd them. If you want different rates though, QA1s are probably not a bad choice.
Used billies, revalved, the top hats that came on those used billies + some 2" sch40 pipe and a welder, sleeves are $50 check ebay, and bump stops are only expensive from fatcat.
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Used billies, revalved, the top hats that came on those used billies + some 2" sch40 pipe and a welder, sleeves are $50 check ebay, and bump stops are only expensive from fatcat.
yea...your garage welded $50 top hats & generic OTS bumpstops != Xida. Sorry .

Used bilstein & NB top hats @ $200? thats a pretty ****** good deal (considering NB hats are easily half that). One that sounds like a unicorn.

Ebay sleeves are meh, but sure that's not a big performance point.
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Yes, because fat cat doesnt just buy generic off the shelf bump stops, mark them with a sharpie and sell them for twice as much. You pay a premium for his knowledge. I'm not saying xida performance though. I'm sure you can get fat cat performance for it though.
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