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Old 02-02-2019, 03:18 PM
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How do you think that statement makes any relevant sense?

I mean youre arguing pointless **** for the sake of it.

Maybe if your initial post said something along the lines of "this xida set is ~250 less" we could have proceeded in a meaningful direction but youre really just coming off as an ******* with nothing better to do than argue for the sake of arguing. I guess Im probably coming off the same defending myself against baseless arguments...

If you had done what youre chastising me for, you would have realized I was looking at the set with custom rates and wouldnt have commented in the first place. Or at least would have stated something meaningful.

Have a good one bud.
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How do you think that statement makes any relevant sense
It does. We agree you didn't know fully the price range of all XIDA coilovers. I'm not arguing, rather, stating simple inarguable fact. You seem to be butt hurt that you've been corrected. Judging by your posts, I think that is something you should be you'll get used to.

In any event, you like your FA coilovers. GREAT! I appreciate the fact that FA is mostly a Virginia based company. I rather enjoyed the Speed Academy segment where they featured FA. Who am I to say what you should prefer? I'm done.
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Poor attempt at gaslighting there.

You had no ground to argue anything after I clarified which set I was comparing prices on. Pointing out a different set stating I didnt know the different xida options to support your initial dickish post literally shows you didnt look, or at least didnt accept, I was looking at a different option. Which is what youre trying to shame me for? Right? And 1750 vs 2000 doesnt change anything from up there where this thread was still on topic. So...

As much fun as I'm having ripping up your pointless posts, the internet is filled with enough meaningless forum caterwauling.

Shut up.
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The point is it is well written as to which coilovers are good, and worth the money. It has been written for years as to which cheaper set ups are worth the savings, and which are worth saving for if you want the best you can afford. It's really simple. Sit on your *** and actually research, and use the time everyone else already spent figuring it all out for you by trial and error, lap times and so on. Literally in 30 mins anyone with half a brain could realize there are just a few set ups that the majority recommend spending your money on depending on street/track/race.
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Xidas good. Fortune auto bad. /thread
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Tein makes great stuff. While they used to have a reputation for being super stiff, Their current US market parts are designed in the US, so spring rates and valving are appropriate for US tastes. Their cheaper stuff is soft for autocross, but very comfortable and capable for street. They service and rebuild in the US and are capable of just about anything.
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Having a set of tein covers I can easily say I will not buy them again. They are fine but for the price I rather save a little longer for good coilovers. That said if someone want them I'll gladly sell them.
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Originally Posted by matrussell122 View Post
Having a set of tein covers I can easily say I will not buy them again. They are fine but for the price I rather save a little longer for good coilovers. That said if someone want them I'll gladly sell them.
Which ones?
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I bought a set of Tein Flex Z's when I first got my Miata. Crappy coilovers and even worse customer service. Didn't even really get a chance to test them. Went with a diy Bilstein setup and never looked back.
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I bought a set of Tein Flex Z's when I first got my Miata. Crappy coilovers and even worse customer service. Didn't even really get a chance to test them. Went with a diy Bilstein setup and never looked back.
What did you find lacking about them? What were your customer service difficulties? I have had superb service from them. My biggest complaint is that their budget stuff, the Z series stuff, is sprung soft. It's great for a daily, but falls pretty hard at autocross. I'd assume similarly for the track.
Old Teins can be rebuilt for just about any intention, though. Same for their current catalog aside from the Z series stuff.
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Originally Posted by matrussell122 View Post
Having a set of tein covers I can easily say I will not buy them again. They are fine but for the price I rather save a little longer for good coilovers. That said if someone want them I'll gladly sell them.
Same here. Had the Tein Street Advance bought from 949. Handled well enough for the street but the ride was always rough. I messed around with different spring rates, different sway, etc. Never like the ride with the Tein. Have Flyin' Miata Fox now. Do yourself a favor. Save up, buy a quality coilover and just do it once.
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What did you find lacking about them? What were your customer service difficulties? I have had superb service from them. My biggest complaint is that their budget stuff, the Z series stuff, is sprung soft. It's great for a daily, but falls pretty hard at autocross. I'd assume similarly for the track.
Old Teins can be rebuilt for just about any intention, though. Same for their current catalog aside from the Z series stuff.
Spent about 4 months dealing with them. First issue was that the fronts rubbed the control arms. They claimed it must be something wrong with my car, wrecked, bad bushings, etc. I finally found out the NB2 control arm issue and fixed it. Then one was blown from the start. Had to send it back to them for testing. They refused to update me for weeks at a time unless I called them. Then they said that it was bad but they didn't have parts to replace it and had no idea when they would get them. Had to argue with them another month before they eventually caved and refunded my money.
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So i dont know maybe if you wanted to sell those xida's or feals i bet people would buy them. especially the xida actives.
It was a joke post. I am not interested in selling any of the setups at this time. I will be doing some testing between them all sometime in the spring hopefully.

I have talked to Fortune Auto several times on the phone. They are located about 20 minutes outside of where I normally drive past to get pipes. I wanted to stop in and possibly get some shocks on a dyno for testing. They were not interested in taking my money.
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Spent about 4 months dealing with them. First issue was that the fronts rubbed the control arms. They claimed it must be something wrong with my car, wrecked, bad bushings, etc. I finally found out the NB2 control arm issue and fixed it. Then one was blown from the start. Had to send it back to them for testing. They refused to update me for weeks at a time unless I called them. Then they said that it was bad but they didn't have parts to replace it and had no idea when they would get them. Had to argue with them another month before they eventually caved and refunded my money.
That sucks. The Z series are sealed dampers manufactured in China. This means replacing dampers rather than rebuilding them. If Tein doesn't have those dampers in stock I guess that means waiting. Their other dampers are rebuildable.
I view the Z series as a well engineered cheap spring and damper combo for the street. If budget allows, I'll always opt for rebuildable dampers.
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Originally Posted by burdickjp View Post
Tein makes great stuff. While they used to have a reputation for being super stiff, Their current US market parts are designed in the US, so spring rates and valving are appropriate for US tastes. Their cheaper stuff is soft for autocross, but very comfortable and capable for street. They service and rebuild in the US and are capable of just about anything.
Ah, no.

I had a set of Tein HAs in a part-out car that were new in ~2009. Those were great. Fairly supple, well sprung, well damped.

I bought a brand new set of Tein Flex in ~2015 for my NB and was horrified. At full soft, the car was dangerously floaty, even on the highway. Secondary motions over minor pavement junctions. Literally undriveable. At full stiff, it was bone jarring. Outrageously harsh. As you turned the shocks down from full stiff, they retained the harsh feeling over large (high shock speed) impacts, and at the same time, gained the floaty feeling back. The "sweet spot" in the middle combined the worst attributes of both. If you wanted to demonstrate to a team of staff engineers how not to valve a set of shocks, I would have them take a 10 minute ride in that car with the shocks set mid-way between soft and stiff.

If you go hunting (as I did) for shock dynos from older Tein Flex/Monoflex vs. their newer Tein Street Flex products, you'll see major differences in the valving that explain all of these symptoms.

I replaced them almost immediately with a set of MSM Bilsteins, which were much better (although oversprung at 600/350). I would emphatically recommend a 450/300 MSM Bilstein setup for a street/sport car on a budget.

I would take Tokicos over anything Tein has made in the last 5 years.
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Basically I've come over to the camp of "If something is a reliability problem on the track, just ask Andrew and do what he says".
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Spendington recommending tokico. this is going in my sig
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If you go hunting (as I did) for shock dynos from older Tein Flex/Monoflex vs. their newer Tein Street Flex products, you'll see major differences in the valving that explain all of these symptoms.
That sounds like an easy enough phone call to get the older valving.
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Originally Posted by KevinK121 View Post
With NB mounts the Xidas retail at ~$2000.

Just about any retailer of FA is willing to let a set go for ~$1000.

So.... in any case nearly double. Unless you know of somewhere thats willing to give special pricing on Xidas. I certainly dont. I doubt OP does either.

And regardless, my point stands.

More importantly, this thread is in reference to helping with the OP's question. Not a dick measuring contest as to how much different people want to spend on their suspension. OP likely doesnt need/want to spend that much, has a decent platform of suspension and can solve his problem getting them revalved and refreshed.

IMO that's his best option and it's intended to be communicated as my opinion.
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I was looking at these when I made my comment.

https://supermiata.com/xida-coilover-miata.aspx

But if thats all you could take away from my post for the sake of argument...
$1739 if you don't opt for helper springs, and were smart and started with an NB. So... even cheaper. GG.
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Originally Posted by burdickjp View Post
That sounds like an easy enough phone call to get the older valving.
Sounds way easier to not make the phone call in the first place, and just buy coilovers that don't suck to start with.

Probably cheaper, too. Especially because time is money.
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Sounds way easier to not make the phone call in the first place, and just buy coilovers that don't suck to start with.

Probably cheaper, too. Especially because time is money.
OP could just have FA revalve and respring. Looks like it's about $600 for a full overhaul.
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