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Sebring is hard on brakes. Much harder than Road Atlanta, for instance. I needed HP+ on stock power and tires there. Hawk Blue or DTC are necessary with sticky tires at stock power.

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Originally Posted by bigmackloud (Post 1076835)

Just curious, when I was discussing the subject of brake pads with a few track buddies (all mustang guys, NASA instructors, one ran an AI car up until a year or two ago), they all looked at me like I was crazy when I mentioned the DTC60's. as in, why would a light weight miata ever need that aggressive up a pad. They felt I'd be flat spotting tires like crazy.

Obviously none of them had any direct experience with a miata so they were just offering opinions and conjecture.

Any thoughts on why the dtc60 is so popular with miatas yet the same pad might be considered "extreme" in another application?

Yes. I think most people associate "braking" with "high horsepower" cars. The reality is aggressive compounds (and to some extent bigger brakes) should really be associated with the tires you drive on, more so than your car's HP.

I could ramble about this some, but I think you get the idea. Most people don't think about it in the sense that I can get my braking done in 50 ft instead of 100 ft. They are probably thinking, oh I stop pretty good compared to the others around me, so I don't need bigger brakes.

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 1076844)

I used the RockAuto StopTechs for street and autoX but 10 minutes into a session at Sebring they were starting to throw in the towel and that was on RS3's with a stock 1.6. Switched to HP+ all round until I get more power and stickier tires.

Thanks for the reality check. I'm thinking my home track (MSR-C) must not be too rough on brakes.

Curious, are you running OEM 1.6 brakes or 1.8 brakes?

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Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1077051)

Curious, are you running OEM 1.6 brakes or 1.8 brakes?

Nobody runs the 1.6 brakes here, and nobody likes the tuna here.

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Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1077206)

Nobody runs the 1.6 brakes here

I would hope not, but Boris might. All I can see of his car is that it's a '92 1.6.

I have 1.6 brakes but I'm not a super fast driver. I have picked up some sport brake parts for a possible future upgrade.

Sorry bout not responding sooner,....
yes, I do have the 1.6 brakes on my car as that is what I was told works best for autoX (what do I know).
Now that my car is growing some more power with the VVT swap and I'll be concentrating more on the track as opposed to cone chasing I will be tossing on 1.8 brakes from my 94 in time for summer.
I'll probably go with XP8's all round for now.

Well, I'm still using those StopTech's at $32/front set on the Silver car. Have never had fade issues at MSR-C on 205 Rivals. Typical 1.7 laptime in the 1:29s, not super fast but not slow either.

I did get XP10/XP8 combo for the Wilwoods on the Red car. Curious to see what spending 3X gets me.