I LIKE the STOCK MIATA SUSPENSION BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE!! But I have a question.
 

Hello to all ---

First off let me preface - I cannot stand miata.net - the closeminded, sheeple, collective borg-think astounds me as the miata us SUPPOSED to be an enthusiasts car. So im mposting here with the assumption that you people here are more openminded since turbo modiification required invidual thought and creativity.

Now to my question.

I LOVE the stock miata suspension. I am not knocking ANYONE here with a lowered car - I have just driven so many lowered miatas - all sorts of kits -- and I can't get over their common failure - limited suspension travel. The 'ugly wheel-gap' in the stock miata is what permits me to have so much fun as I can take the car from spring extended to spring fully compressed on every turn. And best of all I can FEEL this suspension travel.

I feel the classic body-roll that TELLS ME where the car is at in the turn. Many who are pro-lowering always say the same thing "lowering eliminated body roll" -- WHY ON EARTH would I want to eliminate that beautiful miata body roll and all its awesome feedback.

In a hard turn I can literally tell how far I am from spinning out by feeling how much the spring has compressed and the body is rolling, or squating to the opposite side. In a lowered miata there is now warning - it feels sticky and flat as a go-kart.. which is cute... but then you spin out with absolutley no warning! No feel, no tire screetch.. it literally hugs the road one second and the next you are in a 360 degree spin. This is not fun to me - its nerve wrecking and not confidence inspiring.

Unfortunately the love-affair with aftermarket lowering springs is more of a closeted-ricer based emotional one, rather than a logical one. In fact when I first got a miata years back I wanted to lower it -- that is UNTIL I drove a few that were. Go kart, go kart, go kart, WIPEOUT [no warning]

EEWW!

What happened to that classic roadster feel?

So anyway my question is - is there ANY WAY to LOWER a miata and retain ALL - 100% suspension travel? And I literally mean in INCHES -- im NOT sure the exact stock suspension travel, but lets say its 3 inches. Is there any possible way to lower the car but still have the wheel able to travel the 3 inches up and down?


Thanks.


PS - this is NOT an attack on lowered cars, NOR an invitation for you to tell me lowering is better etc -- I LIKE AND ENJOY ALL lowered miatas, they just dont fit my 'line walking' driving style on public roads. Im simply looking to see if anyone has mathematically retained stock suspension travel distances on a lowered car. For instance if the shcok mounts on all 4 wheels could be 'raised' and inch upward, while you lower the car 1 inch.. would something like this work? Does such a shock mount exist?


Thanks in advance - and REMEMBER - I LOVE LOWERED MIATAS - Im not hating on your lowered people AT ALL!

Peace

tl;dr
How about you use the search button. This "shock mount" you're wondering about exists and has been discussed many times over.

And LOL @ wanting body roll






***EDIT: if you're just opening this thread and in doubt whether you should read it, do yourself a favor and READ IT. IT IS SO WORTH IT:bowrofl::bowrofl:

Na or NB?

Dude,

How about not being the annyoing first person to reply and say "use the search button" -- ok dude - I used it - and NO THREAD dicusses how to keep the EXACT stock suspension travel while lowering.

Please do not do this cookie cutter 'use the seach button' response - and yes I want body roll for the reasons I described above - I DO NOT EXPECT you to understand as I rarley run into anyone who drives like me.

Yes I know the sheeple miata owner routine - get one, lower 1", big sway bars, adjustable shocks, bahh bahh bahh, handle like a go kart, but cant take a turn with confidence except for autocross... spare me.

Sorry, meant to post that..

1991 NA miata -- stock of course...

Looking to keep EXACTLY same travel, while lowering 1-1.5 inches.

Thanks!

How about not being the annoying 10000000th n00b to make a thread as their 1st post asking shit that's been discussed multiple times?
If you truly believe that last bolded part you are nuts.
Not many here will understand your "driving style" because people here like making their cars take corners faster, not slower. And that means lowering it and running upgraded suspension.
Put on some nb tophats or get aftermarket ones<- this you could have found out by doing 1 minute worth of searching.

http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-...-dumb---------

I found this after 10 seconds of searching:
na
http://y8spec.com/suspension/na_shockmnt.jpg
nb
http://y8spec.com/suspension/nb_shockmnt.jpg

Now go find the thread that's from.
GTFO with that "I searched" bullshit.

Dude,

Im not going to argue with you - obviously I hit a nerve with you.

But you have a lowered miata and over 8,000 posts here so I'm not the least but surprised at your anger.

I told you in the OP that I dont want to discuss opinions. I am a n00b to this forum like you are a noob to driving. Perhaps when you hit 9,000 internet miata forum posts you'll realize that mazda got it right hte first time and that lowering a miata is equal to trying to make up for your freudian shortcommings.

PS - searching "nb tophats" tells explains nothing that answers my question.

:laugh:
Holy shit this is going to be a good thread:giggle:



You asked how you could slightly lower your car but retain the stock suspension feel and travel.
I posted the answer. You told me you don't want the answer.

Did you ride the short yellow bus as a kid? LOLOL

He can't drive his SLAMMED miata, but he CAN use the search function on miataturbo.net.

If you have a link to prove that there IS an answer to this supposed discussed question please post the link and save your emo slammed ricer gibber jabber for racing cones in the parking lot of Tru-Value. Some miata owners drive on real roads and know how a roadster is supposed to handle.

The question, in case you got confused is an easy one:

LOWERED NA miata with EXACT SAME stock suspension travel. Is it possible? {or impossible}

^^^^:rofl:

to 18psi's

lolololol

http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/no_u.jpg


so you can search google images but can't search this site?

Wow..... Swap out your NA tophats (upper shock mounts) for those of an NB. It''ll lower the car a bit, while retaining suspension travel.... now go away.

EDIT: Mods, you could go ahead and close this thread whenever you feel nessesary. :ban?:

Dude - will it retain *EXACT STOCK* suspension travel??

Im not interested in some or more suspension travel - I wan tot know if theres a way to get 100% stock travel?

Go away yourself if you cant answer properly.

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He just gets more and more stupid:eek5:

So you can't answer my question? But instead take offense for no reason at all mr 8,000+ posts (is that an internet record BTW) - hell, i'd lover my miata too after 8,000+ internet posts ... lower=better right? Thats what Tein and Racing Beat told you right? 18psi, AKA my cat-brained counterpart.. now with lowering springs

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mt will have a field day with this idiot

Ok champ, I'll take one more swing. ;)

It is 100% impossible to get "exactly" the same suspension travel you have now. Can't be done. If you want it to the millimeter, it's not gonna happen. If you want it to the nearest 1/16th of an inch, it ain't gonna happen. Sorry to tell you this, but changing one part of a system leads to changes in other parts of that system.

Your best bet if you want "about" the same amount is to use NB tophats.... you gain slightly more travel, while lowering the car.

This being said, if you gain a slight amount of travel, you will retain100% of stock travel. Since you have gained travel, you have still retained stock levels of travel, while adding more.

How's that sound to you. :D

Well, my time here is up - GOODBYE LOSERS!

Proof again that miata people have become emotional RICERS just like the old Honda crowd. Keep lowering your cars and posting 8000 responses on the internet...

bye!

moderator delete my account and ban my IP - wont be back!

I ask a simple question - I get emotional sheeple responses...

www.djhives.com

visit if you dare

Is today stupid douche noob day? Seriously what the fuck? Hey fucker your question was already answered. Stop being a fucktard. :gtfo:

So I'm still missing why keeping EXACT stock travel the same is so important to you? And why you think the stock suspension is PERFECT! Perfection is in the eye of the beholder, and what Mazda made for the Miata is FAR from perfect to most.

This shit isn't rocket science. The NB mounts are probably all you need if you just want to lower it a little and still keep the same travel. All you are doing is moving the entire assembly further up, or the car further down. Suspension geometry will change a bit, but actual shock travel should remain the same.

That being said, I hope you aren't a permanent edition to this forum, your first posts have been absolutely retarded and you don't seem like you are likely to contribute anything to this site other than being annoying, and we already have enough of those spots filled.

n/m ^ Good, he will be gone. Pretty sure his stupid fucking question was already answered several times. Poor ricers, we all are.

Oh well, at least if we see him on the streets, we'll know our "follow the sheple" suspension will be faster than his blown stock shit. :giggle:

OH MY GOD!!!

THANK YOU!

AN ANSWER!!!


THANK YOU! Thats ALL I WANTED TO KNOW!! it CANTR be *exactly* done... thats ALL I was wondering.

Jesus tapdancing ace, was that so hard -- just wanted a yes or no!!

thank you seriously -- I feel as though ive been gang raped for my innicent question, but now I have a definite answer: "NO"

thanks and hopefully this thread will help someone else asking a similar question. So goodnight to all - enjoy your miatas weather they are slammed on welded non-moveable aircraftcarrier springs like 18psi or if you are bone stock like me.

Peace and love to all


PS - moderator, I take it back dont bann me, someone has answered my question and I accept your apoligy

OMG - ok seriously, its not cool to be a forum sheep -- "hey dude, lets make fun of the noob!" get a life and learn how to drive.. goddam ricers! I say lowering springs and its like Im talking about how small your dicks are or something.... touchy subject eh?

lowering springs = insecurities

Did you actually think that you could perfectly retain travel distances on a set of blown OEM shocks? (If they have 50k miles on them, they're blown). Seriously? I can't believe anyone would actually ask that..... :confused: It seems like a "duh" answer to everyone here... and you didn't have to feed the flames throughout the process. I can see why you don't like miata.net. :D

Troll. :ban?:

:bowrofl:

:bowrofl:

As stated in the OP - you will be going much slower than I due to your inability to push the limit (know when you're about to skid out) common sense for 1989 maza engineers, but elusive rocket science for 2010 closet ricers with mini-springs and painted tow hooks...

..never thought the sports car world would get this douch-baggy... first honda now mazda... I can heart the corvette and lotus people now .."hey dude you gotta like drop it an inch to get rid of all the 4X4 suspension travel - get with the timess broooooo".


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You're not a noob, you know exactly what you're doing. You're trolling and tring to start a sprialing thread for fun.

Lowering springs are pointless, since the are not matched to the dampening of most shocks and are too soft for the drop they provide. That is common knowledge. Anyone who thinks that some lowering springs on OEM shocks is a good idea needs their head examined.....

And what the hell is a "forum sheep"? :laugh:

So did anyone look at this whackjob's site? Holy hell, talk about issues..

The guy is selling a $95 book, full of typos and run-on sentences (yeah, I fucking noticed, I'm not going to curl up into a "fecal (sic) position") that he only accepts cash or "blank money order" for, and refuses to sell to "bitches", while calling himself "The Honorable djhives"

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This guy's a troll even when he's not on a forum!

But hey, if this book thing doesn't pan out, you could always design race cars. I'm sure they're dying to hear your ideas.

You're an imbecile.

dude, get a life - I asked an anser 18psi got UPSET rather than answering yes or no - and here you are talking about blown shocks -- NOBODY ever said I have blown shocks - in fact SHOCKS have nothing to do with the question - only ride height and thus spring height. You people get too emotional over the lower vs dont lower 'argument'.

I like BOTH but I dont get E-motional like lowered people do...

:noob:

WHO IS THE RESIDENT TROLL HERE?

was this a set up all along???

Jackson is that you?

This fucking guy has to be a troll from CR or something.

He can tell none of us know how to drive based on the fact that we don't like the stock Miata suspension... logical... :loser:

hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha:laugh:

You're an idiot, I'm almost done with this. :D

The OEM stuff you're on is blown, plain and simple. It is not doing it's job as Mazda intended. Mazda compromised for comfort in the miatas suspension. Lowering increases the limits of the car, but makes those limits no quite a clear.... much like race tires. Street tires give you a good amount of information before they let go, race tires and r-comps are more on/off. Your suspension is limiting you, but it's more communicative, so you assume that is better.

You don't want "slammed". You want about 1.5 inches lower.... read up on roll centers, center of gravity, and lateral loads.... maybe you'll learn something ;)

EDIT: Shocks can affect total travel, so they are part of this discussion. ;)

Nope Im not, im using Mazdas stock suspension. Is that an imbecile thing to do?

You are insecure and skill-less , hence your candy color painted lowering springs that ruin any chance of corbering balls to the wall. (sorry racing cones doesnt count in the real world)

For sure. :D But that's what makes CR soooo great.... it's always good for a ":laugh:"

No, I can tell you cant drive based on your collect 'we', 'us' verbiage.

"we" and "us" do the typical lower 1", sways, bahh bahh sheep mod that makes no sense to me. I ask a honset question I get flamed by THE HERD insead of a "yes dude you can" or "no dude you cant"

simple - but read this thread psi18 FLAMED ME FOR NO REASON! (2nd post!)

:vash:

Actually, it counts a lot more than understeering through corners to impress 14 year old girls with your "balls to the walls" hella skillz. :giggle:

I move for the "dumbass" avatar.

Wait! If you don't understand it don't bash it! It works, you just need to understand why! There's a reason a lotus handles better than a camry... and it's not the lime green paint. :D

^ ... I'm with stupid.

You are dedicated to being a retard I suppose.

http://www.cslacker.com/images/file/...dedication.jpg

god you sheeple are idiots -- I aught to get in the lowering springs business ... lower=better ... to hell with suspension travel - lock the control arm horizontal and GO!! woo hoo....

problem:

99% of miata owners these days drive hard ONLY on closed courses, ie- tracks and parking lots filled with cones

effect:

99% of miata owners have no idea what suspension is supposed to do ON REAL PUBLIC ROADS


you are like domesticated animals -- you think those X's and O's in your bowl are real food. Cluless monkeys

Oh Jesus, thats because most of the people here take their cars to the track and want them to handle well there. Most here aren't as concerned with street driving, tearing up the roads like ricers, like you apparently want to do, you ricer!

Now I know you are a CR troll.

what Miataturbo.net posters on this thread look like right now:

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MEEP! I have over 9000+ posts on an internet forum - I know how to drive!

Enjoy your ban fagette:giggle:

God you're fucking irritating.

99% of my cock was in your mother's mouth as she told me there wasn't enough travel down her throat.

I'm pretty sure no one advocated for lowering springs..... :confused:

And there's a difference between a track and street suspension... thats why spec miatas run INSANELY high spring rates... and most street setups keep rates no higher than 450/500 (for the front spring rates)

Have you made a point yet?

A lotus hadles better than a camry becasue its owners dont chop off one inch of suspension travel in an attempt to make their car look 'more aggressive'


come out of the closet lowered miata sheeple...

I like this trolls dedication:giggle:

Clearly there are numerous speedbumps and potholes on your daily commute. Most of us don't have to take a rally stage to work.

What you "aught" to do is put your straightjacket back on and take your medicine like the nice doctor says.

BTW can you say "sheeple" a few more times? It's not old yet.

Yes I drive on REAL STREETS - that's me - YOU CANT DO THAT CAN YOU WITH YOUR LOWERED RIDES! I know becasue I was passing you all day long there at the dragon!

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