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Old 01-27-2010, 09:30 PM   #1
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won't fit right?, if they do are they more expensive to revalve n **** than older models?
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answered part of my own question from fatcatmotorsports.com "06+ OE Bilsteins are crimp-top and NOT revalvable"
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thats a no, thanks.
edit: i found a set of bilsteins off an NC for 100$ on miata.net. it was worth the double check despite what i thought i already knew.
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why the hell would you want them anyways? nc's are heavier than na's so i dont think these would be a great upgrade imo.
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why the hell would you want them anyways? nc's are heavier than na's so i dont think these would be a great upgrade imo.
because i didn't think of that, i'm sure an nc would weigh more but i have no idea by how much. and i don't know a whole lot about suspension set ups as it is. i'm just trying to figure things out.
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nc miata curb weight: 2410lbs

na miata curb weight: 2100lbs

basically the heavier car is going to have shocks made to handle more weight. they would be stiffer for the miata but would probably make it higher, the spring might not sit right.
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that makes sense thanks.
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if you're looking for a cheap upgrade, you can always get yourself a set of raceland springs for 68 bucks (they have good products for street use) and some kyb gr2's
or go with full coilovers like the ones i picked up for 272 shipped

even cheaper granted you can find a good price, but would not lower your car (youd have to get NB lowering springs, if you retain the nb oem springs it will sit higher). it would handle slightly better than stock, pick up a used nb shock/strut setup, but retain your NA miata tophats. all four shocks you can probably get for 100 bucks, then you can pick up some lowering springs of your choice.

back to raceland, if you dont trust raceland for whatever reason, you could always get megan springs for 100 on ebay, and some tokico blues, or konis. they usually fetch some decent prices used here in the classifieds. but if you're not going to be tracking your miata i suggest the raceland coilovers. no bad reviews yet!
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if you're looking for a cheap upgrade, you can always get yourself a set of raceland springs for 68 bucks (they have good products for street use) and some kyb gr2's
or go with full coilovers like the ones i picked up for 272 shipped

even cheaper granted you can find a good price, but would not lower your car (youd have to get NB lowering springs, if you retain the nb oem springs it will sit higher). it would handle slightly better than stock, pick up a used nb shock/strut setup, but retain your NA miata tophats. all four shocks you can probably get for 100 bucks, then you can pick up some lowering springs of your choice.

back to raceland, if you dont trust raceland for whatever reason, you could always get megan springs for 100 on ebay, and some tokico blues, or konis. they usually fetch some decent prices used here in the classifieds. but if you're not going to be tracking your miata i suggest the raceland coilovers. no bad reviews yet!
great, i was looking at kyb gr2's but people here didn't seem to like them, they aren't even listed on the hierarchy, good for street and maybe a day or two of fun uncompetative tracking a year? i thought the kyb gr2's didn't handle lowering very well... any note on bumpstops?
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i thought the kyb gr2's didn't handle lowering very well... any note on bumpstops?
The GR2 is essentially an OEM-equivalent in terms of its construction and performance.

So far as I know, they do not come with bumptops (neither do AGXs, Bilstein HDs, or most stock-geometry dampers for that matter) but instead assume that you will use the stock dust boots (which have integral bumpstops) or that you'll be purchasing them separately.
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does lowering do anything practical like improve handling? i know it lowers center of gravity but i don't know what that entails. otherwise i would be more inclined to use stocker springs.
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does lowering do anything practical like improve handling? i know it lowers center of gravity but i don't know what that entails. otherwise i would be more inclined to use stocker springs.
Frosty,

I don't intend to be a dick, but you have a ton of reading to do if you are seriously asking that question.

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does lowering do anything practical like improve handling?
No.

Lowering the car, by itself, will tend to decrease both ride comfort and handling performance. The reason for this is quite simple- even at stock height, the NA has relatively little suspension travel available before the tops of the shock absorbers contact the bumpstops. As you decrease ride height, you decrease available suspension travel, and the ability of the suspension to actually do its thing is degraded.

To decrease static ride height without severely degrading handling performance requires that you either increase available suspension travel or increase the spring rate.

The former typically involves the use of shorter-than-stock shock bodies, taller-than-stock upper shock mounts, smaller bumpstops, etc.

The latter is quite simple to understand- stiffer springs mean that the suspension will not move as far for any given force applied, thus making better use of the available travel range.

Long story short- it's easy to **** up your ride by doing arbitrary things with your spring rate and length. If you have money to spend, call 408-221-8247 and tell the man who answers that I sent you. If not, spent at least a month or two lurking in the suspension forums here and at the other Miata-specific forum before you do anything.
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hehe, thanks i definitely intend to do more research.
sorry for noobing it up.

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we were all a noob at some point in our lives.

lowering does lower the center of gravity though
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it's ironic because i have an earlier join date than everyone besides joe perez
edit: although i didn't get my miata until later last year
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had you been researching, searching, and asking non noob questions since feb 08 you would not = noob. but for now, in this case, join date ~= non noob status
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