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Installed our first set of test springs for the Race spring pack. Our target is a 255/40/17 Super200 on 9" wheel, not Hoosiers or 18's. 600/400 rates to start. Installed on Kaiko and drove around a bit with shocks set to 15 clicks (from full stiff). Surprisingly compliant and comfortable ride. Much like 800/500 on and NB with Xida Race. Definitely real firm not harsh anywhere. I think a lot of NC owners will be perfectly happy to daily on race spring pack.
The extra bump travel causes issues though. It's similar to attempting to run 245/40's on 15x10's on an NA, 255/40's on 17x9's rub everywhere on the NC with Xidas. We're in the process of determining whether we will include mount spacers or simple shock packers to reduce bump travel for big tires. For those NC owners willing to pull and roll all four fenders or add flares, it's a non issue. Those cars will able to run really low and still have full tire clearance and excellent bump travel.
Mount spacers preserve droop travel but are harder to install. The reality is the owners running 255/40's and race springs don't actually need the full 195mm of rear shock travel (about 9" wheel travel). So shock packers make fine tuning a quick and easy process. The tough call is on the street only NC that wants huge tires, low ride height for style but opts for the Touring rates. That user can either buy other shocks that have no bump travel and put up with a shitty ride or run Xidas with thick shock packers and have to run the shocks near full stiff to help keep it off the stops.
Bottom line is the NC just doesn't have room for big tires and lowering without getting medieval with your fenders.
Kinda of forgot about this thread. Been updating the mnet thread periodically. Short version: reaching our targets has proven far more complicated than expected. Switch from a radial bearing to pin style upper rear mount. Switched from 2.25 to 2.5" springs. Designed proprietary helper springs from scratch to reach rear stroke targets. Reduce rear stroke a few mm. Changed seal heads for NVH. Added a few insulators again, for NVH. All while working one numerous other new products, just me and John. Still no ETA but it seems like we have solved all the issues. Hoping we can have these shipping to customers in Q1/21. We'll see. Meanwhile, Xidas for the FRS/BRZ are pretty much done. Starting production and the first pilot production batch should be shipping by late February.
Kinda of forgot about this thread. Been updating the mnet thread periodically. Short version: reaching our targets has proven far more complicated than expected. Switch from a radial bearing to pin style upper rear mount. Switched from 2.25 to 2.5" springs. Designed proprietary helper springs from scratch to reach rear stroke targets. Reduce rear stroke a few mm. Changed seal heads for NVH. Added a few insulators again, for NVH. All while working one numerous other new products, just me and John. Still no ETA but it seems like we have solved all the issues. Hoping we can have these shipping to customers in Q1/21. We'll see. Meanwhile, Xidas for the FRS/BRZ are pretty much done. Starting production and the first pilot production batch should be shipping by late February.
If you didn't click through to the instagram post shared above: NC Xida production samples are here. We will be giving ride alongs this weekend at our swap meet, so if you're around come take a ride.
If you can't make it this weekend but still want a ride, email us to schedule something.
If you didn't click through to the instagram post shared above: NC Xida production samples are here. We will be giving ride alongs this weekend at our swap meet, so if you're around come take a ride.
If you can't make it this weekend but still want a ride, email us to schedule something.
We are excited
What do I do if I want to buy them. I don't need a ride from you Ed to give you my money.
That's stretching the definition of top hat a bit, dontcha think?
We call it a shock mount.
Assembly is actually longer than it appears in that image. Looks like a rally shock in person. Low motion ratio and lots of wheel travel = Long shocks.
We do need a local RX8 owner to donate their car for a test fit at our shop in the near future. Needs to be street legal, stock or near stock, full interior and all interior paneling, quiet or stock exhaust.
Contact Ed info@949racing.com
So why is there an ugly weld(?) that hasn't been ground down, which a coat of pretty paint can't hide? It does nothing to suggest a quality product, manufactured by a quality shop with good QC standards.
So why is there an ugly weld(?) that hasn't been ground down, which a coat of pretty paint can't hide? It does nothing to suggest a quality product, manufactured by a quality shop with good QC standards.
Asking for a friend ...
Probably because they're "production samples" (as stated in the post you're referring to), so they are able to make these types of final requests to component suppliers to level up quality or performance deficiencies.
Or at least that's how it works at the company I do product development with.
You are probably right. But using a pic with such a 'feature' is, I think, a mistake given Emilio's products are pitched at the quality end of the market.
What actually triggered that post was curiousity about what is welded inside that tube that might have resulted in that lump, given that the ID has be bigger than the OD of the shock, plus a bit of wobble room - I assume.
Not sure what you guys are hoping for. Custom fabricated (welded) parts are expensive. Poster-quality welds are cool but costly and unnecessary. Function trumps all and the welds on these tophats have excellent penetration and are very solid, if not perfect dimes.
We always strive to offer the best value, and we try to make things as pretty as possible while meeting certain targets. There's no shortage of quality in the product.
If you're curious about what's welded inside the tube, well, you'll have to wait on that
To further detail what Ed wrote, for anyone that doesn't love the look of the rear mounts, they're not intended to be works of art. Sorry! Our Qmax reroute, brake kits, crossflow radiator, billet coaxial mounts, lugs, wheels and other bits are sorta eye candy so I guess people come to expect that from us.
The mounts are designed and engineered to be completely rigid and indestructible without costing a ton. Because of the loads they will see over their lifetime, if they are allowed to flex even a little bit, cracks will develop. They would also squeak and creak if they were allowed to flex. So they end up kinda industrial looking. Our own orange anodized rampart against mediocrity.
Holding a bare mount in your hand you can see all of the interlocking surfaces and separated weldment areas that aren't visible in the photo. The bottom plate interlocks and overlaps so the external weld does not burn through to the inner surface. Then they're offset welded on the inner surface. The circles you see at the top are through ports on the cylinder through to the skirts extending down from the cap plate. Those welds are ground to a specific diameter so they fit inside the shock port in the tub. The structure does not rely solely on that top weld. The mounts are designed so that no single weld ever supports the entire load from the wheel. That feature in particular is key to the overall burly factor. So the structural design and every weld is correct and completely functional, if not neccesarily attractive. A bit like a trailer hitch, not sexy but it gets the job done reliably and without complaint.
Anyway we doubt anyone will care what rear mounts look like after their first drive.
EVERYTHING on that page is subject to change before we start taking pre-orders.
We'll start a new thread and close this one in a few weeks when we begin taking pre-orders. As always, send an email to info@949racing.com and ask to be put on the NC mailing list or follow us on facebook or Instagram (Supermiata, not 949 Racing) if you want to be notified the moment we start taking orders. Don't rely on forums for that : )
-It's looking like the production kits will use Swift main springs and our custom helpers. They will be straight springs, not barrel on conical springs we tested previously.
-Basic tire fit test with 255/40/17 RC1 on 17x9 +48 with 100% untouched fenders and liners. Both tire hit fenders long before Xidas runs out of bump travel. Front- 29mm of travel limiter required Rear- 37mm of travel limiter required
These travel limiters are optional so do your homework before ordering your shocks. The product page has the info you need.
That's with stock camber. With race camber of -2.5 to -4°, the front will tuck a bit but still hit the fender long before the shock bottoms.
We'll offer a range of optional travel limiting "chips" in different thicknesses that clip onto the shock shaft to reduce stroke. Even with the maximum number of travel chips (37mm), the rears still have 134mm stroke. Those with 8" wheels or 215-245 tires will be able to run full stroke, no travel limiters. Of course with cut fenders and flares, you can run whatever huge tire you want at full stroke.
-Shock production is done, We should have the first batch of 80 shocks (20 kits) here in a week or two. Mounts won't be here until December, despite having ordered them in April Those kind of lead times are now the norm, with material shortages and transportation delays.
Last few things to wrap up but we're aiming to ship the first NC Xidas mid December. As soon as we confirm ETD on a few remaining bits, we'll start taking pre orders for the first batch of 20 kits.
In case you visited the mobile site and didn't find the info you wanted, the mobile site has only minimal product info in order to fit the tiny screen. Desktop site is packed with all of the product info.
If you're interested in NC Xidas and want to get more info, definitely click over to the desktop site by clicking the bar shown here.
And sorry our sites are so antiquated. New website should be ready to go in a few weeks.
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Those kind of lead times are now the norm, with material shortages and transportation delays.
