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Old 11-25-2009, 06:45 PM   #1
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So, I was taking my car for a drive. Not even a mile from home, going well below the speed limit and my gay *** turned in too soon on a left and hit a curb.

Subframe done
Steering rack done
Oil pan scratched
Oil cooler leaking
Radiator bent
Throttle sticking?!
What else?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:46 PM   #2
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This is what my car did to that curb:
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:52 PM   #3
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What subframes fit? All years? 1.6 also?
What oil pans fit? All 1.8? KIAs?
What steering racks fit? All years? I want to depower another one.

Should I worry about the steering rods, double-A arms?
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:55 PM   #4
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dutch-curb job.

I've done this before in another car...sorry dude.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:57 PM   #5
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dutch-curb job.
I've done this before in another car...sorry dude.
It's all repairable and it's winter anyway... ****!
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:06 PM   #6
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told you that you couldn't drive

j/k, that sucks. Let me know if you need a hand tho
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Ouch that really sucks. Def. repairable though.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:44 PM   #8
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Spooky -

Sorry to hear about the incident. However, pleased to hear the, "It's winter and I needed a project" mentality.

Good luck on the rebuild.

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Time for an LS1 conversion?
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Old 11-26-2009, 12:46 AM   #10
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If the oil pan's not leaking or showing obvious signs of cracking, is it that risky to keep it in? Steering rack looks fine as long as you replace that U clamp. Everything besides the subframe and oil cooler is cosmetic damage. At least it looks that way.
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Damn that sucks. I've got a 4-day weekend this week (starting today) so if you come up with parts in time and need another set of hands I'd be wiling to make the trip, miss working on miatas :( . Let me know.
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What subframes fit? All years? 1.6 also?
What oil pans fit? All 1.8? KIAs?
What steering racks fit? All years? I want to depower another one.

Should I worry about the steering rods, double-A arms?
Any 90-05 subframe should bolt in, I believe. The later cars drop the front A-arm mounting points a little which provides better geometry.

Any 1.8 oil pan fits, except possibly not the MBSP one.

I don't think the steering rack changed. While you're in there, install some spacers to lift it and deal with some bumpsteer.

Check the A-arms, it'll be somewhat obvious if they are bent. If you change the subframe, and it won't align, change them. Change your lower balljoint, though - any sort of touch and I've seen them go bad in Spec Miatas. Same with the tie rods, check them but they're probably fine.

Sucks, dude. That curb would get me too.
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:50 AM   #13
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From NA Front Subframe into an NB - MX-5 Miata Forum
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For direct bolt-up compatibility you want a steering rack that matches the subframe. You realize the control arm attach points were moved around to alter (improve?) suspension geometry for the NB?

...the controls arms are interchangeable.
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sounds like a front clip w/out engine from a wrecked NB might be the ticket.
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sounds like a front clip w/out engine from a wrecked NB might be the ticket.
I am going to get a 99 sub frame and steering rack with inner tie rods. I am reusing the RE/LE outer tie rods I already have.

They say the control arms of the NB have an extra weld, but I am going to reuse mine. Unless they turn out bend...

Also getting a new 94 oil pan for good measure. Not wanting to go through the trouble of making a newer version with MBSP fit. Unless someone tells me this is easy. I am not looking forward to removing any engine internals/bolts/studs.
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I am going to get a 99 sub frame and steering rack with inner tie rods. I am reusing the RE/LE outer tie rods I already have.

They say the control arms of the NB have an extra weld, but I am going to reuse mine. Unless they turn out bend...

Also getting a new 94 oil pan for good measure. Not wanting to go through the trouble of making a newer version with MBSP fit. Unless someone tells me this is easy. I am not looking forward to removing any engine internals/bolts/studs.
Keep in mind the swaybar mounts on NBs are different from an NA.
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Keep in mind the swaybar mounts on NBs are different from an NA.
How exactly?

This brace kit is 90-05 and is what I have.
The mount on the LCA is different, but Im keeping mine.
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I would do a complete subframe swap with A-arms and steering rack attached as a unit. That should be easiest and would require the least disassembly/reassembly of individual components. That is, of course, an opinion based on something I have never done and hopefully won't. But I have seen many subframes removed and replaced on other makes, and it can be significantly easier that way. In some cars it is easier to remove the engine with the subframe than pulling just the engine (not the Miata).
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I would do a complete subframe swap with A-arms and steering rack attached as a unit. That should be easiest and would require the least disassembly/reassembly of individual components.
I would still need to replace the ca bushings with the ES I've got. So not much of a win there. It's a 70k mi 99 with dead engine.
I will get the arms if I need to, but if not it will save me .
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How exactly?

This brace kit is 90-05 and is what I have.
The mount on the LCA is different, but Im keeping mine.
Sorry I meant the swaybar endlink mounts on the control arms.
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