Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1496639)
Lol why? These aren't the super pimpnasty Penskes...They aren't adjustable, they're probably not aluminum bodied (we'll see) and they're set up for SM, which isn't relevant to most Xidas users anyways. I'm sure they'll be sorta in the ballpark maybe sorta kinda, even my custom valved Bilsteins were IMO. But what sort of moron is going to cross shop "Well i can have this off the shelf" against "Well i can spend the same money and figure stuff out myself trying to make these non-adjustable shocks valved for a car that isn't set up like mine to hopefully match the off the shelf option?"
Not this moron. Maybe someone who has a weird vendetta against Emilio and won't stop posting about it. |
Awesome! Buy now.
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Chuckling at the Xida comparisons. The Penske's are $200 per bare shock, non adjustable and valved to have similar damping curves as the Bilsteins. No digressive pistons or sexy bits inside. If you can find Bilsteins, they, at $100 each new, are still a better deal.
Xidas are $375 each bare shock. I'm curious to see final shock dynos, lengths and strokes. We offered custom steel shocks to SMAC at around the same price as the Penskes but heard nothing back. |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1496705)
Agree. Definitely great for SM. :)
Now the question is.... how many of us have SMs? Not sure if the SM8 tire is dropping next year as well, could be an interesting season. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1497017)
The Penske's are $200 per bare shock, non adjustable and valved to have similar damping curves as the Bilsteins.
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Originally Posted by Dietcoke
(Post 1497106)
You've had them on a dyno then, and know what's inside them, or are you just spouting off nonfacts as wishful thinking?
Read more, snark less. |
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This seems like another incredibly short-sighted decision for Spec Miata. Basically every new spec series in recent history has learned from SM and went with a quality, adjustable coilover.
Do they really think they are getting a top end Penske shock for $200 / corner? They're more like Penske Lite. You couldn't buy a non-adjustable shock from them for less than about $500 per corner(without coilover hardware), so what on earth are they doing to cut the price by 250%? Furthermore, why are they so concerned about running dirt cheap shocks when the greatest expenditure by far are the SM7's? This really makes me wish Supermiata came out East; it makes so much sense compared to SM... |
Yeah, I'm still stuck on the claim that qualifying lap times were similar to the Bilsteins, but they don't fade as much. They couldn't manage to turn faster laps on "better" shocks? What? It sounds to me like they are not trying to build a better suspension--just a more available one.
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Its availability was running short, it makes perfect sense that they were entertaining alternatives. The shocks didn't have to be better, they just all needed to be the same and available. Better is just a bonus, if achieved.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1497017)
If you can find Bilsteins, they, at $100 each new, are still a better deal.m.
You don't think switching to an aluminum body and a "corrrect" length damper is worth the extra $100? I thought those two things were big marketing points of the XIDA? |
Ditto the plea for super Miata out east. I race spec because it's the only Miata series in the north east that has consistent fields of 10+. I could race PT (now ST) and have a better car, but race against myself or one other guy who is 4 seconds off my pace. No thanks.
These new shocks are fine I guess, but I'd honestly rather have seen a simple move to 15x8 or 9 wheels. I'm also tired of battling it out for 3rd because drivers 1 and 2 have $6k engine builds and make 5 more hp than me. I'll happily make 3 Dyno pulls and be allowed to drop a little weight. |
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 1497125)
Really? You don't think switching to an aluminum body and a "corrrect" length damper is worth the extra $100? I thought those two things were big marketing points of the XIDA? |
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1497135)
The SM Penske as I understand it, is not a threaded body. I presume that was done so current Bilstein owners could swap their Ground Control sleeves and Eibach springs over to reduce overall upgrade costs. So not cooler running than a threaded body without the air gap/ insulating sleeve. All indications currently are that the valving was at least similar, if not based directly on the Bilstein. I have not read or heard any references to the Penske being shorter than the Bilstein. Until I can get my hands on the set and measure the body length and stroke we will assume they are the same. We are in line to get a set. We plan to send them off to be dynoed. We will share that information when we obtain it.
The 46 page presentation Mazda Motorsports put together answers a lot of these questions. Above is a screen grab that covers most of it. According to Jim Drago the bodies are not threaded and will utilize the current sleeved coilover kit. According to Mazda and Penskes info, the aluminum body still provides better heat dissipation than the Bilsteins, even without being threaded. |
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 1497136)
According to Mazda and Penskes info, the aluminum body still provides better heat dissipation than the Bilsteins, even without being threaded.
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Originally Posted by dasting
(Post 1497127)
Ditto the plea for super Miata out east. I race spec because it's the only Miata series in the north east that has consistent fields of 10+. I could race PT (now ST) and have a better car, but race against myself or one other guy who is 4 seconds off my pace. No thanks.
These new shocks are fine I guess, but I'd honestly rather have seen a simple move to 15x8 or 9 wheels. I'm also tired of battling it out for 3rd because drivers 1 and 2 have $6k engine builds and make 5 more hp than me. I'll happily make 3 Dyno pulls and be allowed to drop a little weight. But I do agree that Supermiata needs to spread, I'd jump ship in a second if we could have a 10+ car field. |
Originally Posted by engineered2win
(Post 1497118)
This really makes me wish Supermiata came out East; it makes so much sense compared to SM...
Originally Posted by dasting
(Post 1497127)
Ditto the plea for super Miata out east. I race spec because it's the only Miata series in the north east that has consistent fields of 10+. I could race PT (now ST) and have a better car, but race against myself or one other guy who is 4 seconds off my pace. No thanks.
Originally Posted by dc2696
(Post 1497190)
But I do agree that Supermiata needs to spread, I'd jump ship in a second if we could have a 10+ car field.
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Not sure why all the hate before the product is even finalized, not even released. No one is forcing Bilstein to stop making their shocks for Miata and anyone who wants them can still do custom coil-overs. If anything, we get more options with Penske. There is a potential for something good happening here, but people go on bashing product that hasn't even gone to production yet.
I really seems that the spirit of the forum is that of a really old grumpy guy putting up signs telling kids to get off his lawn before any kids have moved into the neighborhood. Cheer up folks, life is good. |
What hate are you seeing? I'm not sure we're reading the same thread. :party:
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Mazda just announced that the Penske/integrated threaded collars are available. $1200 for the set and you still need to spend $250 to the tops.
Link: Mazda Announcement https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c134095db7.png Highlights: - One coil-over shock (shock valving is the same as previous version) - Coil-over thread protector (new addition) - Threaded adjuster (new addition) - Friction lock (new addition) Details:
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