Originally Posted by trakhoar
(Post 739849)
Or he's looking at it the right way. If hes a track novice and doesnt plan to spend more than 2-3 days a year out at the track, his money is better spent on SEAT TIME than high end suspension. High dollar suspension is only worth it, if you possess the skill to actually fully utilize it/are out driving other setups. The SM guys seem to get by fine with tweaked stock stuff w/sleeves.
So until he can drive the car 10/10 (or even 8/10) and know why/where better suspension will help him shave time, it cold easily just act as a band-aid to cover up driving mistakes. |
Originally Posted by rccote
(Post 739882)
Or we're not even talking about the same thing.
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Originally Posted by trakhoar
(Post 739849)
So until he can drive the car 10/10 (or even 8/10) and know why/where better suspension will help him shave time, it cold easily just act as a band-aid to cover up driving mistakes.
The money the SM guys save in hardware is surely surpassed by set-up. If you want to compare a run of the mill SM then add a few seconds to that comparison. The most expensive suspension in the world couldn't get me around Spoolin2Bars this weekend, but it sure was easy to drive my car. |
Originally Posted by trakhoar
(Post 739895)
We are though, if you want to talk about "running with the high dollar cars", its much more than how much you have dropped in mods. The truly fast guys have more money spent on track time/tires/brakes than they do mods. Using that as justification to purchase high-end stuff is just to prevent buyers remorse
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Originally Posted by trakhoar
(Post 739849)
The SM guys seem to get by fine with tweaked stock stuff w/sleeves.
If you bolted a set of Clubsports to a Spec Miata, it's worth a minimum of 1 second at any 2-minute track in the country. Buying suspension twice saves you money now and forces you to spend it again later. Take it from the guys here that have bought a lot of stuff twice - you want to buy the good parts first. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 739906)
God, this is such a horrible rationalization. SM suspension is shit. The only reason ANYONE considers it to be even slightly good is because everyone is forced to run the same shitty shocks, and therefore people have figured out how to go fast in spite of the shitty shocks.
If you bolted a set of Clubsports to a Spec Miata, it's worth a minimum of 1 second at any 2-minute track in the country. Buying suspension twice saves you money now and forces you to spend it again later. Take it from the guys here that have bought a lot of stuff twice - you want to buy the good parts first. A lot of people buy "track" suspension/parts/etc and only end up doing parade laps in C group, get bored, run out of money, or wrap it around a pole on a "touge" run Thats why I brought up that point in my first post. How serious he is about the track, how many days he plans, is he already a track veteran, etc. If anything he should take it out bone stuff first, let the local hot shoe drive his car while he rides in the suicide seat and see if he pisses himself |
Is there a reason SD Bilstiens haven't been mentioned much? I thought they were just as good as the $2000 package you're all talking about. Good thing about those is that he can buy them piece by piece, and save money by using Ebay sleeves and used 2.5" springs. In the end, if he's lucky/careful, he could only end up spending ~$1200-1500.
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Originally Posted by curly
(Post 739922)
Is there a reason SD Bilstiens haven't been mentioned much? I thought they were just as good as the $2000 package you're all talking about. Good thing about those is that he can buy them piece by piece, and save money by using Ebay sleeves and used 2.5" springs. In the end, if he's lucky/careful, he could only end up spending ~$1200-1500.
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I did. ^^^. Seems like a much more logical choice for someone on a budget and onl does 2 or 3 track days a year plus daily driving.
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Well eBay sleeves are like $20, I don't want too much for my springs and he already has oem bils. He shouldn't need to spend more thank $600 total if he uses his oem bilstiens.
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I have AWR sleeves and collars. :jerkit:
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Just go crazy and buy some Moton's. So the suspension matches the price of the car. This is good stuff. Here the product link:
http://motonsuspensiononline.com/ind...f39c32a3755000 |
Originally Posted by Evolforce2
(Post 739937)
Just go crazy and buy some Moton's. So the suspension matches the price of the car. This is good stuff. Here the product link:
http://motonsuspensiononline.com/ind...f39c32a3755000 |
Custom penske triples or bust
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Originally Posted by turotufas
(Post 739936)
I have AWR sleeves and collars. :jerkit:
As do I. |
Originally Posted by EErockMiata
(Post 739809)
What I'm getting at with this question is the most important part of this car for me is getting out on the track and having fun.
That's basically been my strategy since I bought my car in Nov. I've had a blast all year, and (because I'm such a driving :noob:) I'm still dropping 2-3 seconds at our local tracks, even though I've only done a few basic mods. Anyway, JMHO. |
Originally Posted by trakhoar
(Post 739895)
We are though, if you want to talk about "running with the high dollar cars", its much more than how much you have dropped in mods. The truly fast guys have more money spent on track time/tires/brakes than they do mods. Using that as justification to purchase high-end stuff is just to prevent buyers remorse
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Originally Posted by rccote
(Post 740016)
What I'm saying is you shouldn't shy away from buying expensive parts simply because they're approaching/exceeding the cost of the car itself.
It makes me want to punch babies. If you're serious, buy the expensive shit. |
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