You know a thread is gonna be good when ethics are brought up.
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In for 15x10.5's and 15x11's.........I'm begging :)
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Eric, you are totally hardcore!! Props.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1118489)
Big picture though, it's just how things are. I often explain it this way. say I popularized shoes in 3/4 sizes because they fit peoples feet better. I can't patent a size. It gets copied and I have to move on to the next idea. Using the shoe analogy, Skechers has made a billion dollar business (one of the worlds largest) in barely 20 years by openly stealing current industry leading designs and recreating it in cheap knockoffs. Americans buy them up never even having seen the originals. Skechers is an 800lb gorilla that Nike and Adidas worry about. Not a single damn original idea there.
So what does that say about stealing IP an making a business of copying other peoples work? It says that it's a pretty good business model, shameless and of questionable ethics though it may be. TBH the biggest problem you have isn't people knocking you off, it's not having parts in stock. I wanted a set of 15x8 6ULs a couple years ago but couldn't wait 3 months so I ended up with a set of TRs. I want to make the jump to 15x9s soon and I'm trying to wait for the Gen 4s so I don't settle again but when this set of tires is done I'm buying something. I can't buy what isn't available. :2cents: |
Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 1118532)
In for 15x10.5's and 15x11's.........I'm begging :)
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1118489)
... Using the shoe analogy, Skechers has made a billion dollar business (one of the worlds largest) in barely 20 years by openly stealing current industry leading designs and recreating it in cheap knockoffs. Americans buy them up never even having seen the originals. Skechers is an 800lb gorilla that Nike and Adidas worry about. Not a single damn original idea there.
So what does that say about stealing IP an making a business of copying other peoples work? It says that it's a pretty good business model, shameless and of questionable ethics though it may be. Suggestion - applying for a patent is cheap and no one has access to your filing for at least a year (and longer if you only want to file in the US). You then have patent pending status until the patent issues (or does not). In the meantime, your competition has to make a decision - if they copy you, and for some reason, your patent issues then you can pound them. Best case (if you can't get a patent or design patent on wheels) you may be able to buy yourself a year or more of time ahead of your competition. Worst case, your competition is always looking over their shoulder, worrying about what happens tom them, if your patent ever issues. Provisional patent filings are dirt cheap and get you pat. pend. status. |
Could you patent something as simple as a particular wheel size and offset?
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Emilio, your 6ul definitely is a game changer. Light, innovative and looks superb. Not sure if anyone can compare. As long as companies stays true to their valued clients, doesn't matter if someone else copies them, clients will remain loyal.
Pllleeeaaasssseeee let us know on the first batch. The community is literally on our knees awaiting the new gen lol. And everyone who has the previous won't let them go either! |
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1118756)
Could you patent something as simple as a particular wheel size and offset?
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Originally Posted by nx58
(Post 1118767)
Emilio, your 6ul definitely is a game changer. Light, innovative and looks superb. Not sure if anyone can compare. As long as companies stays true to their valued clients, doesn't matter if someone else copies them, clients will remain loyal.
Pllleeeaaasssseeee let us know on the first batch. The community is literally on our knees awaiting the new gen lol. And everyone who has the previous won't let them go either! |
Wait... if apples was able to sue samsung over the phones being shaped the same as a patent you might very well be able to do so with a specific wheel size. Might just need a league of lawyers lol seems legit
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Originally Posted by FrankL
(Post 1118769)
I have 2 sets of 15x10s I will let go of after the new wheels are built.
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Originally Posted by 05pearl
(Post 1118745)
I'm in the shoe biz - how do you know about Sketchers? You are right, they make cheap copies and they are good at it.
Suggestion - applying for a patent is cheap and no one has access to your filing for at least a year (and longer if you only want to file in the US). You then have patent pending status until the patent issues (or does not). In the meantime, your competition has to make a decision - if they copy you, and for some reason, your patent issues then you can pound them. Best case (if you can't get a patent or design patent on wheels) you may be able to buy yourself a year or more of time ahead of your competition. Worst case, your competition is always looking over their shoulder, worrying about what happens tom them, if your patent ever issues. Provisional patent filings are dirt cheap and get you pat. pend.
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1118756)
Could you patent something as simple as a particular wheel size and offset?
949 is a fantastic company and very innovative but the things you create you must keep in stock or customers will go elsewhere. wheels, coilovers (now a higher rate ohlins availble for $2700) and whatever else people want and can't get. |
Not to sidetrack the topic too much but at this point we seem to be more at a loss for wider rubber. While the stretch is fine on 15x9, wouldn't we be better off with 235-255 width rubber?
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Originally Posted by natedawg
(Post 1118818)
I always thought it was more a of a china problem. He has a design patent no one is copying the 6UL directly.
No one may be knocking off the 6UL directly. But, the IP strategy I mentioned above may give Emilio some breathing room. A patent pending will work better than no IP at all. |
Originally Posted by 05pearl
(Post 1119285)
It's not a China problem. Companies all over the world have their goods manufactured in China - to compete on price. If China were not the world's manufacturer, popular items would be knocked off somewhere else.
No one may be knocking off the 6UL directly. But, the IP strategy I mentioned above may give Emilio some breathing room. A patent pending will work better than no IP at all. I just don't see a way to seal up IP around offset/size. -Zach |
Originally Posted by nx58
(Post 1118772)
Lol I'll just hop on the gen4 train hahaha
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Copies aren't the real problem. The constant lack of wheel stock is.
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Originally Posted by vteckiller2000
(Post 1119403)
Copies aren't the real problem. The constant lack of wheel stock is.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1119456)
I think the lack of wheel stock is a huge problem. There have been a few times in the past that I have had cash ready to buy a set of 6UL's and they were not available. So I took that cash and spent it on other things. I understand that keeping inventory costs a large amount to store them, but I don't only want to buy rims during a couple months of the year.
I have wanted to buy them for every car I have owned with 4x100 bolt pattern but every time they are out of stock. |
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