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emilio700 11-24-2022 12:14 AM

New wheel size survey - 949 Racing
 
Take our new wheel size survey.
https://949racing.com/wheel-survey/
Lets us know what you are looking for, even if its not for an 86

Comments and discussion here very much appreciated but we will only use the data from the survey to determine what sizes get made next.
We'll begin accepting pre-orders for the new wheels in December. Get on our mailing list or follow us to get notified.

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Gee Emm 11-24-2022 04:51 AM

What is the difference in these designs, is it just cosmetic or are weights, offsets etc particular to each?

... or have I missed something along the way?

Lokiel 11-24-2022 05:00 AM

"Sanger" is an interesting choice for a rim/wheel name, it's slang in Australia for "Sandwich" :P
- I voted for it but still love the 6UL rim/wheel (15x8 6ULs on my car at the moment)
- looking forward to listing "Sangers" in my "modz" list!

emilio700 11-24-2022 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Gee Emm (Post 1631065)
What is the difference in these designs, is it just cosmetic or are weights, offsets etc particular to each?

... or have I missed something along the way?

The images are just examples of the designs. Strength to weight ratio doesn't vary much between the 3. But we can create any wheel size in any design. That's the point of the survey. Our focus isn't entirely on MX5 wheels. We're doing wheels for many other platforms, as we always have. But I thought I would drop the survey here just to check back in.

Arca_ex 11-24-2022 01:34 PM

Any of those designs would look sweet on my CTS-V, but there's probably not enough demand to do 19's and it's not an option on the survey. I'm having a hard time finding wheels that I like in the size that I think I'd want though. It currently has a drag pack on it with 17x10 beadlocks in the rear and 18x8 up front lol.

5x120mm bolt pattern.
19x9.5" ET45
19x10.5" ET45

emilio700 11-24-2022 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Arca_ex (Post 1631079)
Any of those designs would look sweet on my CTS-V, but there's probably not enough demand to do 19's and it's not an option on the survey. I'm having a hard time finding wheels that I like in the size that I think I'd want though. It currently has a drag pack on it with 17x10 beadlocks in the rear and 18x8 up front lol.

5x120mm bolt pattern.
19x9.5" ET45
19x10.5" ET45

19's are in the survey, but not Cadillac. I'd either choose Camaro (same PCD/offset) or email. No vote is no wheel.

Jesse99James 11-24-2022 04:55 PM

I just zoomed in and figured out the difference between the 6UL and Coto design. Looks like the Coto would be most susceptible to curb damage, slightly less so the Sanger. The spokes look to be more flush than the original 6UL design. I won't say which I'm voting for and I'm usually careful with curbs but also park as far away from other cars, up against a curb so that also plays into my decision.

For the lay person, is there much difference in strength between the 6UL spokes attaching closer to the center of the rim barrel versus the Coto and Sanger mounted to the rim outer edge?

Thanks!

emilio700 11-24-2022 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse99James (Post 1631087)
I just zoomed in and figured out the difference between the 6UL and Coto design. Looks like the Coto would be most susceptible to curb damage, slightly less so the Sanger. The spokes look to be more flush than the original 6UL design. I won't say which I'm voting for and I'm usually careful with curbs but also park as far away from other cars, up against a curb so that also plays into my decision.

For the lay person, is there much difference in strength between the 6UL spokes attaching closer to the center of the rim barrel versus the Coto and Sanger mounted to the rim outer edge?

Thanks!

No wheel we have ever made or will make, has spokes that protrude past the flange. Protruding spokes in wheel to wheel create carnage.

Coto is stiffer in some modes than 6UL but the differences are tiny. Like an order of magnitude smaller than the fatigue load cycle targets we set for every design. Like getting 57 mpg or 57.15mpg. The key differentiator is the that Coto has way more brake clearance than an equivalent 6UL without sacrificing weight or strength. Beyond that, the lip on the 6UL is only possible with medium to low offsets. With higher offsets, it requires that protruding spoke that we refuse to do. Even with high offsets, the Coto allows for some concavity that the 6UL loses. Note how much prettier the old Gen 4 15x8 +36 6UL was than the 17x8 +45 G4 6UL. Thus, our 15x7 & 15x8 4x100 wheels will be the 6UL design. The 15x9 will be a Coto so it clears our BX1175, which is impossible with the 6UL face. The 15x6 doesn't have enough room to put a lip on it so it will also be a Coto to retain a bit of concavity and keep the spokes tucked in.

The 6UL is still the most popular in our survey for two reasons: It has that exposed, uninterrupted lip that almost no other wheel features, and it's "comfort food" familiarity. The Coto is amazing in person and will gradually win people over, given time. S2000 owners want an ultra high offset 17x9 +53 in the 6UL and will complain about its lack of brake clearance. So it too, will be a Coto that will fit 355mm stoppers.

Arca_ex 11-24-2022 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1631082)
19's are in the survey

Select "Staggered" then open the rear wheel size drop down.

Blkbrd69 11-24-2022 08:07 PM

Would like to see a 9.5"x15", just because I like beryllium.

emilio700 11-24-2022 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Blkbrd69 (Post 1631095)
Would like to see a 9.5"x15", just because I like beryllium.

15x9.5 option added.

Oh4One4 11-25-2022 06:16 PM

No FC RX7 option for 17x9 +25

So I picked The FD fitment. Probably not much call for that size...

emilio700 11-25-2022 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Oh4One4 (Post 1631123)
No FC RX7 option for 17x9 +25

So I picked The FD fitment. Probably not much call for that size...

FD is much higher offset and width. Base FC 4x114.3. GTU & churbo 5x114.3. Shoot us an email with the information so we can add it to the database.

Lokiel 11-25-2022 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1631088)
:
Coto is stiffer in some modes than 6UL but the differences are tiny. Like an order of magnitude smaller than the fatigue load cycle targets we set for every design. Like getting 57 mpg or 57.15mpg. The key differentiator is the that Coto has way more brake clearance than an equivalent 6UL without sacrificing weight or strength. Beyond that, the lip on the 6UL is only possible with medium to low offsets. With higher offsets, it requires that protruding spoke that we refuse to do. Even with high offsets, the Coto allows for some concavity that the 6UL loses. Note how much prettier the old Gen 4 15x8 +36 6UL was than the 17x8 +45 G4 6UL. Thus, our 15x7 & 15x8 4x100 wheels will be the 6UL design. The 15x9 will be a Coto so it clears our BX1175, which is impossible with the 6UL face. The 15x6 doesn't have enough room to put a lip on it so it will also be a Coto to retain a bit of concavity and keep the spokes tucked in.

The 6UL is still the most popular in our survey for two reasons: It has that exposed, uninterrupted lip that almost no other wheel features, and it's "comfort food" familiarity. The Coto is amazing in person and will gradually win people over, given time. S2000 owners want an ultra high offset 17x9 +53 in the 6UL and will complain about its lack of brake clearance. So it too, will be a Coto that will fit 355mm stoppers.

Based on this, it seems that producing 6ULs makes little sense over the Cotos, unless you get overwhelming support for the 6ULs which I doubt because they limit brake options, especially given that it took me a while to even notice the difference between the two and I have 15x8 6ULs on my car.


emilio700 11-25-2022 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1631126)
Based on this, it seems that producing 6ULs makes little sense over the Cotos, unless you get overwhelming support for the 6ULs which I doubt because they limit brake options, especially given that it took me a while to even notice the difference between the two and I have 15x8 6ULs on my car.

Big brake clearance is not really a concern for the 15X8. Very few people are trying to stuff 11.75 or 12" brakes in it. Clears our BX11 just fine. But for bigger brake clearance or higher offsets, the Coto is a more efficient design. For some generations of Mustang and earlier generations of BMW their lower offset can still work with big brakes and the 6UL face.

Apex offers an FL5 that has a nice lip like the 6UL. But they only offer it in certain low offset fitments. For other fitments they only offer their designs with spokes going to the outer flange like our Coto. Same deal.

But yes, ultimately the 6UL is a far less versatile design than the Coto.

rjacobs 11-25-2022 10:52 PM

need more x10" options so thats my vote...

lvw 12-07-2022 12:20 AM

Agreed on the 15 x 9.5

Braineack 12-07-2022 09:50 AM

I need some 949 on my 911.

5x130mm
19x9 ET50

and
19x11 ET60 or 19x12” ET63/65

emilio700 12-07-2022 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1631588)
I need some 949 on my 911.

5x130mm
19x9 ET50

and
19x11 ET60 or 19x12” ET63/65

Thanks! We're really making an effort to get into that market space. Most of the 911 fitments require their own tooling to make an properly optimized wheel for the platform. Not shared with Cayman/Spyder for the most part. In the past, we optimized for 5x114.3 pcd. Porsche stuff again, really requires it's own proprietary tooling to optimize the casting. So it's a big hurdle, but we're getting a lot of inquiries and developing a mailing list. We're hoping we can make it happen by Q2/23.

We have a network of racers, business associates and friends with pretty much every Porsche platform that have offered to let us make 3D scans of the wheels and gather data. The racers and shop owners provide invaluable data of the variability of each platform. You have fully stock builds then the HPDE, auto-x and racers that roll fenders, increase camber, stuff bigger tires in. That data allows us to develop fitments that work across the range of user profiles, from OEM+ to full race.

Share that survey link anywhere you think it'll reach the right audience.

Braineack 12-07-2022 03:58 PM

I got some tooling for you.

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