Wheels and Tires All things related to Miata Wheels and Tires.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Wheel spacer .. how much of it do you really need ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-08-2018, 05:46 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
phocup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 343
Total Cats: 2
Default Wheel spacer .. how much of it do you really need ?

So was looking at the back of my 949 6UL today .. and noticed that the back of the wheel wasn't completely flush to the hub.
There's a X shaped rise a few mm.




For my application, I'm using a 949 15x9 +12 wheel and I need 20mm spacers in the rear. The spacer is a nice aluminum hub centric unit and already drilled for 4x100 as well as 4x114 but still weights a hefty 21.6 oz. I'm thinking of trying to further reduce weight by removing the area of the spacer that the wheel doesn't mount flush to. Similar to how Keisler's timken hubs are modified / scalloped but more extreme.



But ... figure I would ask first if this was a horrible idea or not, before I break out the grinder. I'm thinking the worse I can do is throw off the balance of the spacer if I didn't remove the material evenly enough. However, if I pretty much mirror that X, I assume it should be good as I assume that X on the wheel is balanced.

So .. LMK what do you guys think ?
phocup is offline  
Old 04-09-2018, 07:13 AM
  #2  
Moderator
iTrader: (12)
 
sixshooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 20,664
Total Cats: 3,013
Default

I can't think of a reason why not. But I'm only on my first cup of coffee.
sixshooter is online now  
Old 04-09-2018, 10:17 AM
  #3  
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
julio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 130
Total Cats: 23
Default

The MiataCage spacers a lot of spec Miata guys use are already sort of doing some of that. They cut some away and drill quite a bit of the rest. I think most of them are just round because they are easier to make like that.

Miatacage.com. Wheels and Spacers
julio is offline  
Old 04-09-2018, 10:39 AM
  #4  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
phocup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 343
Total Cats: 2
Default

Wow, I'm loving those Miata Cage spacer design but .. so much $$$ and not thick enough. I'll start cutting my own today.
phocup is offline  
Old 04-09-2018, 11:19 AM
  #5  
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
julio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 130
Total Cats: 23
Default

I think they also ditch the hubcentric part that sticks into your wheels too so you may like your "cut" ones better. I've used hubcentric and not on a much heavier R32 I have and as long as you snug the lugs down before you put weight on the wheels it always seemed to center fine.
julio is offline  
Old 06-18-2018, 02:33 PM
  #6  
Junior Member
 
2jz_mickey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 73
Total Cats: 3
Default

As an engineering student i can say there isnt a problem. Spacers are usually cut on a lathe and left sphericle to reduce cost.

At the same time though i would suggest doing a cad pf your design and stress testing it to make sure it can handle the loads!

Good luck!
2jz_mickey is offline  
Old 06-27-2018, 07:29 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
mx5-kiwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Auckland, NZ
Posts: 992
Total Cats: 57
Default

I'm likely in the minority here for the "all of it" mentality but how much weight would cutting or drilling really remove, is it worth the hassle and / or risk?

(not that I think there is likely much if any risk).
mx5-kiwi is offline  
Old 06-27-2018, 07:49 PM
  #8  
Elite Member
iTrader: (21)
 
rleete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 6,598
Total Cats: 1,263
Default

The thing is, any weight removed is unsprung. Makes a big difference, which is why you see wheel manufacturers making their products as light as possible.
rleete is offline  
Old 06-27-2018, 09:17 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Gee Emm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Canberra, sort of
Posts: 1,090
Total Cats: 184
Default

I can't see a problem replicating the mating face of the wheel. Hardness would be my only doubt, though that may be independent of shape.
Gee Emm is offline  
Old 06-28-2018, 04:00 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
mx5-kiwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Auckland, NZ
Posts: 992
Total Cats: 57
Default

Originally Posted by rleete
The thing is, any weight removed is unsprung. Makes a big difference, which is why you see wheel manufacturers making their products as light as possible.
Sure but aren't we talking grams here?
mx5-kiwi is offline  
Old 06-28-2018, 07:01 AM
  #11  
Elite Member
iTrader: (21)
 
rleete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 6,598
Total Cats: 1,263
Default

Hey, it worked for Lotus.
rleete is offline  
Old 06-28-2018, 01:19 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
HarryB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,015
Total Cats: 140
Default

Two things to keep in mind: spacer load-bearing surface area (pay attention to the spacer itself deforming) plus balance.
HarryB is offline  
Old 06-29-2018, 04:27 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
mx5-kiwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Auckland, NZ
Posts: 992
Total Cats: 57
Default

Originally Posted by rleete
Hey, it worked for Lotus.
Sure did, it also frightened some and and killed one of their drivers.
mx5-kiwi is offline  
Old 08-10-2018, 09:00 PM
  #14  
Newb
 
ls3NB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 19
Total Cats: -2
Default

hmmmmm this seems extreme to even want to fix this...... put a small 2-3mm aluminum spacer from a good known company and put your wheel on... done... no ?
ls3NB is offline  
Reply
Leave a poscat -2 Leave a negcat
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Joe Perez
General Miata Chat
19
03-28-2015 11:20 AM
aidandj
Miata parts for sale/trade
2
11-12-2014 09:51 AM
miatauser884
Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain
30
03-28-2011 01:01 PM
Murrman
Wheels and Tires
9
08-15-2010 11:09 AM
turotufas
General Miata Chat
22
02-11-2010 03:57 PM



Quick Reply: Wheel spacer .. how much of it do you really need ?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:07 AM.