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Old 03-29-2013, 09:04 PM
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I it doesn't sound like my daily at all, cam is silent. How do I figure which output it's on?
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:03 PM
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Can someone tell me why "TPS" is flat and why "TPSadc" is not? TPS based enrichments will not trigger...and that sucks. I have to go to the dyno tomorrow so I appreciate the assistance.
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:28 AM
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VVT is fully working, if you look at your log, the VVT angle 1 is closely following the target.

You do however, want to set the ignition timing back to "use table" from "fixed timing", as it is 10* during the entire log.

TPS reading zero is probably a calibration issue in combination with the fact that the MS3 checks all sensors, and if something goes bad, boom.

Go to Can-bus/testmodes -> Check engine light, and set your minimum/maximum tps adc values for the check.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:49 AM
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Yeah, durrr on the fixed timing. Hey, at least I turned-off launch control this time.

TPS values are really low, is that normal? I adjusted the CEL function in the testmodes.

The cam sounds way different on this car, so much that I trust my ear more than the data. However I suppose the log doesn't lie.

Thanks for the help dude. I know I'm annoying as **** at times, yet you keep tolerating me. Thank you so much.

On a related note, here's what happened yesterday:
I couldn't connect and the car was acting bizarre. I then questioned my coil wiring so I made a make-shift piggy-back ground. Then, I wiggled the fuel injection harness wiring and wires started smoking and glowing...eek!
It turns out that after a few hours of chasing a short, I found that I dropped two very important ground wires and the somehow became tangled into the starter and were going hot. I hacked the pretty harness so it can get to the dyno today though.

I may take Tuesday off to get the car balanced, aligned, and then take it to a dynojet for classing.
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Any tips for a noisy TPS?
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you run dedicated wiring for 5V, GND and signal to the TPS ALL the way back to the box?
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Originally Posted by y8s
you run dedicated wiring for 5V, GND and signal to the TPS ALL the way back to the box?
Negative. I can't just run everything to the engine?
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Originally Posted by hustler
Negative. I can't just run everything to the engine?
for O2 and TPS and all of the other 5V sensors, you ideally want to run dedicated wires and not use chassis ground.

usually factory wiring is OK. I think my 01 had all 3 wires at the harness.
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And by not using a chassis ground, you mean running a ground back to the negative terminal of the battery? Sounds lame.
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Originally Posted by y8s
for O2 and TPS and all of the other 5V sensors, you ideally want to run dedicated wires and not use chassis ground.

usually factory wiring is OK. I think my 01 had all 3 wires at the harness.
So do I need to run the TPS ground back into the car out just run it to the intake plenum?
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Originally Posted by curly
Sounds lame.
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Originally Posted by hustler
So do I need to run the TPS ground back into the car out just run it to the intake plenum?
SG != GND.
Run the TPS ground back to the ECU SG (Signal Ground).
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Trey, those SG would be pins 1 and 2 on the lower 37-way connector.
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Originally Posted by Reverant
Trey, those SG would be pins 1 and 2 on the lower 37-way connector.
There is more than one ground? Why 1 and 2? lol

Am I cool to "tie into" this wire or do I need to cut the wire, then solder my new wire?

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You can either tie them directly to MS, or assuming rev's harness brings them out to 2C and/or 2D of the factory harness, you can tie in there.

For 1.6 guys, does anyone know if the factory had decent sensor grounding? Since it didn't have a VTPS factory, my guess is the factory TPS ground is a 12v ground. This is just speculation...
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Any reason not to simply tune EAE and not use TPS accel, similar to my daily?
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Originally Posted by karter74

For 1.6 guys, does anyone know if the factory had decent sensor grounding? Since it didn't have a VTPS factory, my guess is the factory TPS ground is a 12v ground. This is just speculation...
no, the factory everything in a 90-93 sucks.
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Okay, this is weird:
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
For M/T:
B/LG = GND
R = Idle (closure to ground when throttle fully closed)
LG/W = Power (closure to ground when throttle fully open)
The multi-meter clearly says RED is 5v.

In my car
1.6 wires.............................99 TPS
red..................goes to.......lt green/red
lt green/white....goes to.......black/red
black/green.......goes to.......green black

I'm fairly certain that if I screwed this up the TPS would read high voltage closed, low voltage WOT, right?


Also, can I run my new TPS ground to the OEM style plug or should I take apart the DB37 and connect it there? This is kind of funny, the more I dig into the wires, the more I realize I've done everything right from the start, lol.
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I read page 1 (put together this weekend, dyno on saturday), skipped to 47 and Hustler is still trying to go to the dyno a year later! No surprise there.

haha jk, Good luck!
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