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Old 11-03-2011, 11:47 AM   #301
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:51 AM   #302
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That's a great one.



#occupydc protestors turn down job offers.



New York Communities for Change–is paying $10 per hour and $100 per day to homeless people to attend the demonstrations



Sage: I’m leaving today, because this is no longer safe. Like, I had somebody–
Q: I’m still recording.
Sage: Sure. I had somebody in our sanitation team take a swing at me. And then I had like three really calm, friendly individuals telling me that they–that they didn’t just take a swing at me. It was, like, I was just…
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:39 PM   #303
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Okay I have a second to write about college tuition rates.

Keep this in mind: Currently for gov't run schools, the average cost is $46,000 and around $100k for private schools.
Can you cite a source for those numbers? Your numbers are about double what a recently released College Board report show:

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Public colleges (in-state students):
• Tuition and fees increased an average of 8.3% to $8,244
• Room and board increased an average of 4.0% to $8,887
• Total average cost* for 2011/2012: $21,447

Public colleges (out-of-state students):
• Tuition and fees increased an average of 5.7% to $20,770
• Room and board increased an average of 4.0% to $8,887
• Total average cost* for 2011/2012: $33,973

Private colleges:
• Tuition and fees increased an average of 4.5% to $28,500
• Room and board increased an average of 3.9% to $10,089
• Total average cost* for 2011/2012: $42,224

*"Total average cost" includes tuition and fees, room and board, books and supplies, transportation, and other miscellaneous costs.

The report also noted that full-time undergraduate students received an estimated average of approximately $5,750 in grant aid (from all sources) and federal tax benefits at public colleges and $15,530 at private colleges.

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Old 11-03-2011, 02:48 PM   #304
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Those numbers came from some Investor’s Business Daily article in 1998.

I just went to collegeboard.com and got this:

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In 2011-12, public four-year colleges charge, on average, $8,244 in tuition and fees for in-state students.

Private nonprofit four-year colleges charge, on average, $28,500 per year in tuition and fees.
that's $32,976 and $114,000 respectively. So yeah, matches your numbers... What's the problem? I was a little low on one and high on the other.
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What about those projected numbers? Are they from 98' too? I'm not trying to say your concept is flawed, but if the #'s are from the late 90's then I'd be interested to see some more recent data. I had a hole bunch of other stuff typed out and then my laptop froze so...


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NVM, our super majority said no...


FTFY.


Okay, so ignore all my figures... the fact of the matter still stands. That's the problem, the cure isn't more money, we are spending records amoutn of money and things aren't getting better. This goes for almost everything the gov't has it's hand in, education, welfare, health care. etc etc etc.
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Those numbers came from some Investor’s Business Daily article in 1998.

I just went to collegeboard.com and got this:



that's $32,976 and $114,000 respectively. So yeah, matches your numbers... What's the problem? I was a little low on one and high on the other.
A misunderstanding on my part. I misread whether your original numbers were per year or cumulative for four years and whether it was tuition only or more comprehensive.


I do not disagree that government participation distorts pricing in the higher education sector.
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ok so i see we went back to the occupy topic
i just wanted to make one last point
I like to think that those in the military know a little more about this than we do seeing as how it is their job and all
skip to the 2:35 mark on this video and see where the active military are putting their campaign dollars. Ron Paul got more than double all the other republican candidates combined and aprox 12k more than obama got. that is in donations from active military members


ok here is an occupy vid
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Old 11-03-2011, 05:06 PM   #309
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I do not disagree that government participation distorts pricing in the higher education sector.
But it does more than that. Which brings me to part two.

As a side effect, the subsidies attract more and more LESS qualified LESS motivated students who value education less than the other who are willing to pay the full price (see #occupy). Colleges then have to devote more resources to additional programs to keep poorer (unsmart, not wealth) students up to par and have to deal with higher dropout rates.

These colleges also have an increases incentive to increase budgets endlessly -- since increased costs of operations translates to increased subsidies.

So coupled while the artifical demand is already intself raising the cost of tuition, the expansion of additional programs & operations raise the long-term prices of these colleges for all students, not just those recieving loans. In a market based environment, there would be spending restraints and limits.

This makes some colleges a lot more attractive to others, and the key here is that it attracts students that might otherwise not be.

You can prove this true by looking at the drop in enrollment in private schools... they are dropping off rapidly. So now, the purchasing behavior of students has been distorted.

And beyond that, state run schools control the message. You understand where that is an issue of it's own right? The government is able to reglate viewpoints and ideas. They get to pick winners and losers.

So now a portion of my tax dollars are diverted to promoting institution I do not use, and ideas I do not support.
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Loved the first few minutes. I wish he'd pointed out though that that bailouts of the Banksters was Corporatism and not Capitalism.
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Some loud music for angry protestors to listen to:


Boy Sets Fire : Eviction article


Thursday : Workforce Drowning
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Never heard of these guys before but I've heard them before:

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BS.

Maybe Union teaching states, or with teachers that dont care and should not be doing this.
I'm up at 4:30 work till late.
I get 15 min for lunch if I'm lucky.
I dont get 4 months of time off in the summer.
Overtime, whats that I work 12 hours days, and have to work on weekends for a flat salary.
I do not get tenure. Even more so after contracts were rewritten to make it more similar to an at-will.
I have meetings before, during, and after school. Some times all on the same day.

I'd really wish they would stop lumping in all teachers in together.
And I laugh when people say "It is not really that hard." Be my guest. But I usually find that the people that make those comments think you sit on your rear and assign pages out of a book to kids. They dont realize what that you play the role of the Father, Mother, Brother, Sister, mentor, teacher, disciplinarian, etc., to a range of students that include English learners, special education, to regular kids that might be severely below grade level, on grade level, or above grade level and your instruction must meet the needs of each individual child.

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^agreed^
my step mom is a first grade teacher at a public school
while i dont know what she does make
and she does have 2 (not 4) months off
i know she does not have an 80k potential

though teaching first grade she sure does have some funny stories
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I might like to be a gym teacher someday. Just yell at (HS) kids all day and PT the fatties.
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yeah we know why you really want to be a gym teacher


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i dont understand the point to the video?^^
he recognized that there is no proof on eithor side
what does evolution have to do with politics anyways?


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Get into S. America and destroy the cartels etc.
ya know there really is a practical way to make a decent difference
we can easily remove a major source of funding from them
legalize weed
or we can dump millions of dollars into physically fighting them and solve nothing

seriously we dont need more world police
drugs obviously come from more places than there
if the drug cartels are taken down
and demand for the products in the US remains the same
they will only come from other places
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Darwin's theory of evolution can get torn apart pretty bad...when you use science of today
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