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Old 06-23-2015, 01:37 PM   #5341
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its a true story.
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Joe, in a few weeks I'm going to a gay wedding...of a police officer...whose fiance works for Obama.


We have hit absurd levels, and I just don't know if there's a historical correlation. Trent Lott getting ousted for a birthday comment is the only thing that comes to mind.


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When do you think Mississippi will change their flag...you know, to solve racism/violence/AIDS?

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Virginia, do you know there’s a dead guy on your flag? “Yeah,” Virginia says, shrugging nonchalantly. “That’s what we do to tyrants here. Kill them, and then we pose for pictures on their corpses.” Don’t mess with Virginia.
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saw a news story last night where there as calls to change the mississippi flag. lol.

so funny.
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I’m offended that everyone is offended by something.

I’m offended that because I’m a white male, people automatically classify me as privileged, regardless of knowing where I’ve come from or what I’ve been through. I’m offended that our First Amendment has turned into freedom of speech [just as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings]. I’m offended that people assume I’m racist because I believe in economic development by way of Capitalism and a free-market economy.

I’m offended that people who are too afraid to ask for food stamps, disability, or unemployment (because they don’t want a handout) are probably the ones who could use it most, yet the majority of recipients who do in fact receive handouts abuse their “privilege” and continue to make frivolous purchases.

I’m offended that people care more about taking down an outdated Confederate flag but don’t get riled up when their American flag is being burned in the street. I’m offended that people care more about blocking homosexuals from getting married than fixing their own, broken and unstable, heterosexual marriages. I’m offended that fast food workers get paid more than my soldiers yet still expect to get paid more than nurses.

I’m offended by people who claim how offended they are, while they do nothing but gripe about it on their phones or laptops, when they could be writing or calling their respective representatives to actually get something accomplished. I’m offended by the lack of initiative, hard work, and tenacity in this country. I’m offended by complainers who pity themselves and just want to take as much as they can. I’m offended by those who have in fact “made it” yet are too rude to give back to the communities in which they’ve come from.

I’m offended by people who vote for a person based on the party they represent, the race or gender, age or a religion of a candidate… instead of how the candidate proposes to address each issue, respectivly. I’m offended by people who aren’t open-minded and think they’re always right, no matter what. I’m offended by people who don’t listen and read and legitimately try to understand unfamiliar concepts before brushing them off. I’m offended of what our country has become.

I don’t claim to know solutions to these issues… eventually maybe we will. I just pray that we can one day change our country for the better. And hope that our offenses can turn into progress.
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Critics Said Mike Rowe Was ?Mean? When He Said Kids Are Lazy. His Response Set Them Straight.


“We’re churning out a generation of poorly educated people with no skill, no ambition, no guidance, and no realistic expectations of what it means to go to work.”

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“Did you know the “Tea Party Express” was using your image and words (out of context) to “advertise?”

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Hi Carrie,

Yes, I’m aware of the image, and no – it was not created with my knowledge or permission. Last I checked though, it’s been shared over 160,000 times, and seen by over 20 million people. Since my posts are intended to encourage conversation, this is a good thing. On the downside, many of those who oppose The Tea Party are no longer willing to talk to me. And that’s too bad.

Jack Grande says, “Seriously Mike? The Tea Party? Adios…”

Frances Jacobs writes, “I suggest you hop aboard the Tea Party Express and ride it straight to hell.”

Debbie Porchi observes, “Mike Rowe – “Another Dirty Teabagger.”

My own mother, more curious than judgmental, just saw the image, and called to ask why there was a “choo-choo train next to my face.”

“I don’t know, Mom. I guess maybe The Tea Party agrees with what I wrote?”

“Oh well,” she said. “At least they spelled your name right!”

For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of The Tea Party. And the irony of this situation is precisely why I’m not much of a joiner. My original post was an honest attempt to illustrate how a simple virtue like “work ethic” can no longer be discussed without becoming instantly politicized. Of the 20,000 comments that followed, nearly all were positive and thoughtful. But now that my thoughts have been reduced to a single sentence and associated with a group that half the country views with deep suspicion, my words are a touch more…inflammatory?

Janyl Stewart writes, “Wow. Mike Rowe just devalued a whole generation with one quote.”

Diane Sipple says, “Who are Mike Rowe and The Tea Party to tell us our kids a lazy? My kids are hardworking and respectful!”

Jason Givens declares, “Mike – Please stop judging the work force like you are in it. Working a half a day with someone and calling it work is show biz. Want to impress the work force? Come work in our foundry for 6 months with no cameras.”

Let me be clear – I stand by everything I said in my original post. The lack of work ethic in America is a serious problem, and it’s getting worse everyday. But obviously, that doesn’t mean every parent is a failure, or every teacher is a hack. Nor does it mean every kid is slacker, or every person out of work is lazy. However, there’s no getting around the fact that we – the collective we – are no longer instilling the belief that mastering a skill and working hard can lead to a prosperous life. Consequently, millions of able-bodied people have concluded the system is rigged, and stopped looking for work. This is, in my opinion, is the greatest threat our country faces.

Let me riff on the Tea Party quote for a second. Many are asking me to explain exactly how we are we “churning out” the people in question. Personally, I think it started when we began pushing a four-year degree at the expense of every other form of learning. Back when we started describing education as “higher,” vs. “alternative.” Back when we started embracing goofy platitudes like “Work Smart, Not Hard.” Traditional portrayals of hard work have been slowly devolving into stereotypes ever since. On TV, plumbers were 300 pounds with giant butt-cracks. Every other skilled worker looked like Schneider from One Day at a Time. Books like “The 4-Hour Work Week” became instant best-sellers, American Idol became the #1 show in the country, and Madison Avenue found endless way to remind us that true contentment required less work and more vacation. Hard work, delayed gratification, and many other virtues once acknowledged as keys to success were gradually repositioned as impediments to happiness.

Over time, people got the message. Enthusiasm for the skilled trades began to wane. Vocational education vanished from high school. The definition of a “good job” began to change, and before long, everyone was getting a trophy, or expecting one. Meanwhile, demand kept increasing for four-year schools, so universities were able to raise tuition at rates that far exceeded inflation. Vast amounts of money were then made available, and students borrowed it like never before.

Today, the results are self-evident. One point two trillion dollars of student loans hang like a millstone from the necks of college graduates. Many are now perfectly educated for jobs that don’t exist, and untrained for those that do. Thus, the people we’re “churning out,” have been told to expect something that isn’t there, and trained to see genuine opportunities as vocational consolation prizes. Now, there’s an added obstacle that many employers talk about with real concern – a profound resistance to moving to where the jobs are. Not just a resistance – but a kind of indignation at the mere suggestion. Many people now believe a “good job” is a job that exists in one’s current zip code. This to me, is the most jarring thing. A nation once defined by a pioneer spirit and a willingness to keep moving, now seems stuck in one place.

I know it’s hard to relocate. In some cases, I know it’s nearly impossible. I also know it’s easy for a guy in my position to sound judgmental and out of touch with the problems so many face. But every statistic confirms my point. People are resistant to change. We don’t want to retrain, retool, and relocate. We want a job that meets our expectations. A job that we like. A job that’s convenient. A job that pays what we think we deserve. These expectations are both limiting and unrealistic. But we – the collective we – have allowed them to persist. We reward the precise behavior we should be discouraging. My foundation does not.

Last month, I heard from a 24-year old guy who went through a welding program on one of our scholarships. He lives in Kansas with his wife and young son, but he commutes to North Dakota for a few months at a time, and comes home when he can for brief visits. It’s not easy, but it’s opened up a world of possibilities. He just paid off his home. He’s debt free, making six-figures, and saving a small fortune. In short, he’s becoming indispensable, and giving his family options they’d never have if he had waited for the jobs to come to him. That guy’s heroic, in my opinion. He’s also a threat to anyone who says The American Dream is dead.

Here’s an even better one. Last week in San Diego, I hopped in one of those Pedicabs, and let some guy peddle me around the waterfront. The guys name was Ali, and he came to this country ten years ago with nothing. In fact, he didn’t even speak the language. Today, he owns 90 Pedicabs, employs 60 people, and speaks English better than a lot of people who were born here. We spent the day together, and next season, you’ll see his story on Somebody’s Gotta Do It. To me, it’s an inspiration, and proof-positive that anyone can make it in this country who’s willing to learn a skill, provide a service, and work really, really hard.

Truth is Carrie, I’m not as bearish as The Tea Party makes me sound, but I’ll stand by the quote, even out of context and festooned with a logo I didn’t request or approve. Frankly, I’m glad the Tea Party chose to share my words, and wouldn’t object if The Socialist Party follows their lead. In fact, I’ll officially invite them to do so right now, along with The ACLU, The NAACP, The AFL-CIO, The NEA, The EPA, The NRA, The FBI, Jews for Jesus, The SPCA, Greenpeace, OSHA, The USMC, The local PTA, and my old pals at PETA. The more the merrier! Because ultimately, the enthusiastic support of a national work ethic is something ALL groups should get behind, even if I can’t get behind all groups.* Some things are simply too important to be co-opted. Work ethic is one of them.

Mike

*Offer not valid to NAMBLA, The KKK, ISIS, Hamas, or The American **** Party. Because every rule has exceptions…
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Hey question: When are we going to see Dylann Roof on the cover of Rolling Stones?
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lolz at hypocrisy about first amendment, then is upset the flag gets burned, which is protected free speech that he doesn't agree with.

derp de derp derp
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lolz at hypocrisy about first amendment, than is upset the flag gets burned, which is protected free speech that he doesn't agree with.
While I'm normally the first person to jump up in defense of a strict interpretation of the Constitution, I'm perpetually conflicted on this issue.

I can respect the burning of the flag when it is in fact done in the context of genuine political speech.

I do NOT, however, think that a bunch of morons who couldn't even pronounce "despotism" burning / stepping on / otherwise desecrating the flag resembles political speech in any fathomable way.
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What would you consider genuine political speech?
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lolz at hypocrisy about first amendment, then is upset the flag gets burned, which is protected free speech that he doesn't agree with.

derp de derp derp
he was not making a 1st amendment argument here:

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I’m offended that people care more about taking down an outdated Confederate flag but don’t get riled up when their American flag is being burned in the street.
he's saying people today care about outlawing a symbol of american past that, but don't care that others want to destroy american present/future.

That would be like if you got mad and protested outside with a bunch of out-of-work hippies that your neighbors wouldn't put their 17yo dog to sleep simply because you don't like the dog, but not caring that police are out committing puppycide in your backyard to your own family pet.

not a hypocritical free speech offsense here...
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What would you consider genuine political speech?
Speech which directly addresses a perceived political wrong, and is aimed at raising awareness of and/or rectifying same.

In other words, pretty much the exact opposite of posting a picture of yourself on Facestagram doing stupid **** simply to seek attention by projecting the image of being [trendy / rebellious / cool / angry.]

Walking on the American flag simply because you saw Lil Wayne do it is no more respectable or worthy of constitutional protection that participating in the "set yourself on fire challenge" for no other reason than because it's what all of the cool, developmentally disabled kids are doing. (search for it on Youtube. I tried embedding a link, but it gets auto-translated to a video which breaks the continuity of the post.)

When a Buddhist monk sets themself on fire to protest the Chinese annexation of Tibet and the exile of its government, THAT is political speech. Setting yourself on fire in your bathroom just so that you prove to Youtube what a badass you are, isn't.



Sadly, it is impractical for anyone to fairly regulate what is and is not "true" political speech, particularly when the inherent nature of political speech is often to criticize the same body which might enact and enforce such legislation. As such, we wind up with a landscape in which anything that *might* be political speech in the correct context winds up receiving the same protection as actual political speech would.

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We can ask the supreme court to decide the context here...
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We can ask the supreme court to decide the context here...
And that is both an appropriate recourse to a question of legitimacy under the constitution, as well as the one most commonly utilized.

Historically, The Court has tended to rule against laws which criminalize desecration of the flag. Street v. New York (1969), Spence v. Washington (1974), Smith v. Goguen (1974), Texas v. Johnson (1989).

In all but one of the aforementioned cases, the issue before the court was one in which the appellant was, in fact, clearly engaged in an act of direct political protest. And, as such, the court found said speech to be protected.

The exceptional case, Goguen, involved a teenager who merely stuck a small flag to the seat of his pants, and was admittedly not engaged in any political action- he was just being a rebellious douchebag. The court, by 6-3, made a very specific and narrow ruling in that case, striking down the Massachusetts law under which Goguen was prosecuted not because they recognized his actions as protected speech, but because the law itself was overbroad and unconstitutionally vague, failing to adequately describe the acts which were prohibited and overstepping constitutional authority by requiring citizens to be "reverent" towards the flag, effectively compelling them to adopt a certain political philosophy.


I do not agree with the ultimate outcome of Goguen, however I do respect the process by which the decision was made.
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people should be able to trash the flag all they want, regardless of context.
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To me, free speach the right to hold and express an idea. Traditionally, ideas are expressed by words, although art is sometimes used. Art generally includes an emotional content, which should not be needed in the expression of ideas between thinking individuals.

Case in point: Sinners in the hands of an angry God was purposefully delivered via monotone reading by Jonathan Edwards because he thought it wrong to persuade by emotion. Yet it had great impact to that society.

Flag burning is an act of drama, not speaking. Speaking would be, "I think this country's leadership is corrupt."

Maybe a bit disjointed, but what I'm saying is that actions are not speach and speach is not actions. Our society and SCoUSA have confused the two.
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the homosexuals can now have wedding rings in addition to **** rings.
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Not sure if this is for here or the cat thread.

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To me, free speach the right to hold and express an idea. Traditionally, ideas are expressed by words, although art is sometimes used. Art generally includes an emotional content, which should not be needed in the expression of ideas between thinking individuals.

Case in point: Sinners in the hands of an angry God was purposefully delivered via monotone reading by Jonathan Edwards because he thought it wrong to persuade by emotion. Yet it had great impact to that society.

Flag burning is an act of drama, not speaking. Speaking would be, "I think this country's leadership is corrupt."

Maybe a bit disjointed, but what I'm saying is that actions are not speach and speach is not actions. Our society and SCoUSA have confused the two.

Since you can't spell speech, your opinion is completely null and void.
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Your you're right. Ha Ha. Speech it is.

But, I have free speech, so I can spell anyway any way I want, right?

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