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Old 10-07-2016, 12:45 PM   #6901
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^^^^^^ Steve says it so well.

My dentist gives a 10% discount for CASH on things like crowns, and then still files the insurance for me as a courtesy. Gives you a feel for how long the insurance company holds up the payments.
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Old 10-07-2016, 04:25 PM   #6902
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Timely Facebook post from a cycling friend who owns a small manufacturing concern (Bob Chambers):
I spent much of the morning being briefed on what's about to happen to the premiums for the medical insurance program I make available to the employees of my small business. The premiums for next year are going up 36%. That's an additional $55,000 for me to offer my employees the same coverage I offered them this year. It will be far cheaper for me to just end the program, pay the fines and leave the employees on their own to find coverage through the few remaining exchanges, but they'll be royally screwed and I won't do that.

And the consultants I use to help me wade through all the bureaucratic nonsense of Obamacare and its implications for us warn that I dare not add more than a few employees if my business continues to grow next year as the premium and administrative burdens if I cross the 50-employee threshold are so onerous. They advise opting for technology over people and jobs.

Nobody but the most liberally brainwashed could possibly believe that Obamacare is anything but a freaking disaster. We had an excellent medical program for our employees for over 30 years. Obama has made it suddenly become almost impossibly expensive to continue to provide it. Way to go big guy. All those years as a community organizer really qualified you as an expert to revamp the country's whole medical system. And people think Trump is arrogant.
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Old 10-07-2016, 05:15 PM   #6903
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The biggest issue with the ACA (obamacare) is that it was well intentioned, but gutted and made a halfway thing by the time it went in to practice. Like I said before, this halfway socalised health care is a terrible place to be. All in, or all out, halfway just lets all the money go to the insurance and pharamsutical companies...
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Old 10-07-2016, 05:20 PM   #6904
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all laws are well intentioned...
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all laws are well intentioned...
And a lot of them are gutted in the same process of riders and in fighting and such...
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:29 PM   #6906
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:32 PM   #6907
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According to the video released yesterday, a lot worse could happen to you than just being called fat if you were a female and met Donald Trump.
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Old 10-08-2016, 02:57 PM   #6908
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According to the video released yesterday, a lot worse could happen to you than just being called fat if you were a female and met Donald Trump.
Good thing he didnt take advantage of his interns in the oval office while cheating on his wife... that would be deplorable



also, why is this news? I watched that video clips at least 5 years ago.
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Old 10-08-2016, 03:00 PM   #6909
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Those statements sounded like "all talk" from someone seeking attention.
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Old 10-08-2016, 03:01 PM   #6910
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correct. there's no prove/evidence/statements that said he did those acts.


meanwhile:



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Good thing he didnt take advantage of his interns in the oval office while cheating on his wife... that would be deplorable



also, why is this news? I watched that video clips at least 5 years ago.
So really, who gives 2 ***** what her husband did? Obviously not the voters with the approval rating he still has.

I'm guessing a suave smooth talking old guy from ArkansasYork trumps () an overweight old white loudmouth from Manhattan regardless of history. Old news.
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Old 10-08-2016, 03:24 PM   #6912
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Good thing he didnt take advantage of his interns in the oval office while cheating on his wife... that would be deplorable
So we're throwing Hillary under the bus for her husband cheating on her now? And we're going to ignore Trump's infidelity just because of location?

I just want to get the rules straight before we continue because I do not operate on this level of cognitive dissonance.
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I find Trump disgusting...

...but weren't Democats for years telling us that Republicans were just nosy perverts and that we shouldn't care what Bill Clinton's sexual proclivities might be so long as the markets are strong, inflation is low, and employment is high?
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I find Trump disgusting...

...but weren't Democats for years telling us that Republicans were just nosy perverts and that we shouldn't care what Bill Clinton's sexual proclivities might be so long as the markets are strong, inflation is low, and employment is high?
Probably. Keep in mind though that:
1. The DNC is the party of heathens that really don't care what you do as long as it doesn't have an impact on others while the GOP has traditionally been the one that wants to legislate what you can do with your own body. Donald's video talks about him forcing himself on women which would cross the line.
2. I don't think the DNC would push someone's infidelity to the point of impeachment.
3. Bill & Monica's relationship was between 2 consenting adults. You could make an argument that he abused his power but you're kinda getting off in the weeds. Donald talked about sexually assaulting women.

I think the difference is that people have a view of Trump that he's an egomaniac trust fund baby that thinks he can get away with anything and this video plays into that. Bill is a sleezeball when it comes to women but he has done many noble and selfless things outside of that.

AND at the end of the day, Bill isn't running for president so this whole comparison is meaningless. I can't vote for or against Bill but I do have that choice with Trump.
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I find Trump disgusting...

...but weren't Democats for years telling us that Republicans were just nosy perverts and that we shouldn't care what Bill Clinton's sexual proclivities might be so long as the markets are strong, inflation is low, and employment is high?
Yes they did.

That said, I don't see where Bills problems keeping it in his pants relates to her abilities to be president.

With Trumps current problems with women, an attack on Hillary because of her husbands indefinitely will backfire on Trump and put the final nail in it. IMO

Men can tell men... Women can tell women... Men only come across as holier than thou when they try to lecture women on the subject.
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You could make an argument that he abused his power.
Understatement of the year....

If he was a fortune 500 CEO he'd have been booted with a golden parachute. Monica would've been a multi millionaire (and maybe she is). Personally, the fact the country still had a clear memory of Nixon's impeachment and Newt had his own marital fidelity problems probably kept him in office.
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So really, who gives 2 ***** what her husband did? Obviously not the voters with the approval rating he still has.

I'm guessing a suave smooth talking old guy from ArkansasYork trumps () an overweight old white loudmouth from Manhattan regardless of history. Old news.
I'd like to respond directly to this, but I dont know how to read or write

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gotta him them ribs. (and pretend to be black)

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AND at the end of the day, Bill isn't running for president so this whole comparison is meaningless. I can't vote for or against Bill but I do have that choice with Trump.
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That said, I don't see where Bills problems keeping it in his pants relates to her abilities to be president.
I never brought up Hillary. I'm talking about the incredible hypocrisy of the Leftists now complaining that Trump isn't fit for the Presidency because of his sexual indiscretions.

And if you thinks Bill's sexual issues were/are limited to a consensual relationship with an intern, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Probably. Keep in mind though that:
1. The DNC is the party of heathens that really don't care what you do as long as it doesn't have an impact on others while the GOP has traditionally been the one that wants to legislate what you can do with your own body.
That may have been true in the past, but it definitely isn't the case today.
It's more like Democrats don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.
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