elior77

Hey,

I use a full synthetic 5w-40 oil, I noticed that it takes more time then normal to build oil pressure.

On normal circumstances it takes 1-2 secs to build oil pressure, on my worst time it took... 60secs... I added some oil but it is still not 1-2secs.

Should I add more oil ?
Should I change oil type ?
Could be air in the system ?
What is a normal oil consumption for turbo miata ?

It is a 97 miata with 203k km in a very good shape.


Thanks !

SJP0tato

iTrader: (7)

What're you basing "having oil pressure" on? The stock indicator, or an aftermarket gauge?
Adding more oil won't matter, unless it's below the proper level indicated on the dipstick and even then you should get pressure down to ~2 quarts or something.
Unlikely to be air; once the pump is primed you're usually okay unless there's some kind of mechanical failure (hole in your oil pickup tube, etc)
Oil consumption varies, at 200k if you burn a quart every 2-3k miles I think you'd be doing about average.

elior77

I'm basing "having no oil pressure" on the sound of the engine + the original gauge + a new TRD oil sender.

Even if you leave the gauge and sender a side, You can easily tell that there is no oil pressure by the difference between the before and after sound from the engine.

After the pressure is on the engine is quite and "round", before that your hear a much less quite engine.

The second the gauge show pressure the engine become quite - I can tell the difference with out no gauge.

After I added a little oil (about .25quart) things got better but not yet normal, is there any risk in putting too much oil ?

Should I check the oil pump ?

Thanks

hornetball

iTrader: (4)

Don't overfill the engine. You'll end up aerating the oil because the pushrods/crankshaft will be churning it.

The oil filter should be a high-quality design with an anti-drainback valve. You may have gotten a bad one and be spending a lot of time filling the filter instead of lubricating the engine. Takes a minute to spin on a new filter. I'd do that first with a Mazda OEM or high-quality WIX, etc.

You'll need to drop the oil pan to "check" the oil pump. Also, AFAIK, ability to maintain oil pressure during operation is a pretty good check.

I'd definitely be concerned about 60 seconds to build oil pressure.

Good luck.

shuiend

iTrader: (24)

It could be the oil pressure release valve malfunctioning and causing problems. I would start planning a rebuild.

elior77

You think it might be open when it needs to be closed ?

Do you mean valve rebuild ?

Thank you

Joe Perez

iTrader: (8)

It is possible to access the oil pressure control valve from the outside. As I am sitting on the commode at the moment, I don't have the diagrams readily at hand, but in essense, there is a plug on the top-left of the oil pump (as viewed from the front) which can be unscrewed to allow the spring and plunger to be drawn out.

elior77

More input:

I had one time the filer o-ring blew off...


The time it takes to build pressure is not the same every cold start up, could it be from drilling my pan while it was on and debris clogging the relief valve ?

hustler

iTrader: (6)

What is "full synthetic"?

Miater

If your judging this by sound you might be hearing the HLAs.

60 seconds without oil pressure only happens once.

xBoba

5W-30 for all season here in Socal.. Mobil 1 synthetic

shuiend

iTrader: (24)

I do not think it is possible to remove the spring and ball from that hole in the pump. I will go out into my shed tomorrow and pull out one of my spare oil pumps and check.

elior77

Should I try this ? :

elior77

I read here
Help!! No oil pressure on cold start ups! - MX-5 Miata Forum

that the 97 miatas are notorious for there oil pump.

What is a safe time till a pressure is built ?
Should I change oil pump ?
Which should I get ?

Thanks

triple88a

iTrader: (2)

Personally i'd start with replacing the oil filter and go from there.

elior77

I had a new oil filter o-ring blown a few weeks ago, and then I installed a new OEM filter.

Could a different oil make a difference ?

SJP0tato

iTrader: (7)

Was this with an oil filter that was installed/running for awhile? Or a fresh/new oil filter that blew out the o-ring soon after install?
When it happened was the engine cold/warming up, or had it been in operation awhile?

elior77

Fresh filter.
Cold start.

BogusSVO

iTrader: (1)

I would have to go with a shard of metal made it to the oil bypass valve in the oil pump.

Sounds like nit is now sticking in the bore.

Hanging open allows for the low oil pressure.
Sticking closed allowed oil pressure to build and blow out the oil fliter gasket.

I am not fully versed in the diffrent oil pumps of the Miata, but the one I recall you have to pull the retaining pin down by the oil pick up screen, so the oil pan would have to be dropped.

https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-pe...il-pump-65290/

elior77

Thank you all for your input!

The time it takes to get oil pressure is not constant(some times fast sometimes not), I will start taking time and check. (I believe that after 3 secs with no pressure I should turn off)

And that o-ring blow away just once...

(damn I will need a new oil pump... don't I?)
Any way to clean what ever is giving me headache ?
Should I take it as a weak point in the 97 miata ? (as I came to understand)
Should I blame the guy drilled my pan ?
Others ?

Thanks...