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Old 12-15-2013, 01:22 AM   #3981
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Because of the new laws in California. I broke down and bought a Anderson arms lower in 5.56 today. My first one ever.
A huge part of me hopes Cali gun owners get their **** together and beat back this thing... but another part hopes the hippies up north get a huge confiscation bill passed with no grandfathering so you're forced to sell all your **** out of state to me.

Can you imagine if every semi-auto rifle in Cali became illegal overnight with no grandfathering and had to be sold out of state?
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Don't be a drama queen, sign the "I own a CA Approved Safe" affidavit and be on your way. If your LGS isn't giving you that option then they are ripping you off for a lock sale.

You DO own a safe, do you not?
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:29 AM   #3983
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When asked I admitted that I had no safe as of yet. I do need to get a gun safe.
The current laws we have now in California as k understand them read basically.
If you buy a lower from a gun shop before January 1,2014 there is only the paperwork at the place of sale on file on paper and not given to the government.
After that date all lower sales will be required to be filed with the government . So if they make people give up or sell there supposed assault rifles . All people that buy there lowers on or after that date are on file with the government. A bunch of bureaucratic mumbo jumbo be. But it is California and I do live here and am forced to comply. Even though this is against my second amendment rights.
So I have started my quest to build a nice 5,56.
On another note I'm looking at 9mm guns vs 40 caliber guns.
Had almost pulled the trigger to buy a 9mm. Then I reconsidered and am now strongly looking at the 40 cal xd's from Springfield armory. Was looking at block but my fingers are a bit to big. SIG's are nice but a little pricey. The XD seems like a good gun at a fair price. They are $595 out the door on sale here in northern California. Locally the 40 cal ammunition is more available then 9mm by far.
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Check out the m&p. stock trigger sucks but it can be fixed via apex tactical parts. Also being able to use different siz back straps is awesome.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:50 PM   #3985
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On another note I'm looking at 9mm guns vs 40 caliber guns.
Is this a gun that you intend to use to defend your life? Are you talking about a full-size semi-automatic duty pistol?

You live in a state with a 10rd magazine limit, why would you not choose a gun with the biggest caliber you could put in it? The biggest decision in choosing a caliber is size vs. capacity. When capacity is fixed, you're left with caliber. To intentionally choose 10rds of 9mm over 10rds .40cal doesn't make any sense. I honestly don't know why anybody in Cali would buy a full-size gun in less than .45acp.

I carry a G19 (because it's the greatest gun of all time) and have 16rds of Hydrashock on tap. Stepping "up" to .40 leaves me with 14rds, which wasn't worth the tradeoff considering the power of a modern +p 9mm... I want the extra 2 more than I want the ability to penetrate windshields.

But if I lived in Cali and had permit, I would EDC a new G30S .45acp (10rds standard).

If this gun is for HD and not carry, go big with a G21/M&P45/XD45-5". I recommend Trijicon or Meprolight nite-sights, and a TLR-2 laser/light combo.
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Is this a gun that you intend to use to defend your life? Are you talking about a full-size semi-automatic duty pistol

But if I lived in Cali and had to I would EDC a new G30S .45acp (10rds standard).

If this gun is for HD and not carry, go big with a G21/M&P45/XD45-5". I recommend Trijicon or Meprolight nite-sights, and a TLR-2 laser/light combo.
Yes this gun is intended to save my life. I am looking at full size semi - automatic pistols. Ballistically the nine can have up to 400 ft lbs of energy. The 40 cal has up to 14 % more energy an the 45 may be another one or two percent.
In a cost analysis the 40 is a little more expensit then the nine and the 45 is way more expensive to shot.
The 40 cal is leading the pack for my next purchase.

The Glock's do have a good natural point of aim for me but so do the SIG's and the XD's . The last two fit my hand nicely. Tried a lot of nines. The berreta 92fs was sweet.

Thinking the forty is a good choice. Once I dicide on a caliber then I need to pick a make and model . Then the options. I like night sights and the full frame guns. The kick of a big gun does not bother me. I like big guns.
Funny thing is i want a berretta bobcat 22 lr pistol though. Love that gun.
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Fat boy tactical still the best price to get lowers? $60 + shippping
Stripped Lower Receivers : Fat Boy Tactical, your one-stop tactical resource
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:10 PM   #3988
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You Communifornia guys better stock up on naked lowers before the mandatory registrations kick in. Spend the $60+shipping+transfer on 2 or 3 now before it becomes $60+shipping+transfer+registration fees+court costs+LEO Bribe+attorney's fees+knowing-the-government-can-come-and-get-your-gun later...
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Meh.

The world was coming to an end back in 2000 when they did the "Assault Weapon Registration" thing in CA. All it did was cause hysteria and stupidity and flood the NV/AZ/OR markets with really really cheap FAL, AR and AK pattern rifles. Everyone in CA who actually bothered to fill out the form still has their "Assault Weapons," "high capacity" magazines, pistol grips and flash hiders.

California has also been doing handgun registration since the 90's.

From what I've been told about CA State law, the State can't just "seize" your property without properly compensating you for it. Even if some retarded state appropriations committee valued every AR15 in the state at $500/ea, they would go bankrupt between the cost of "Seizure Program" itself and the required compensation.

I like your slippery slope argument, but I just can't get behind it.

Some mod should move this over to the RPG/Gun Politics thread.
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You live in a state with a 10rd magazine limit, why would you not choose a gun with the biggest caliber you could put in it? The biggest decision in choosing a caliber is size vs. capacity. When capacity is fixed, you're left with caliber. To intentionally choose 10rds of 9mm over 10rds .40cal doesn't make any sense. I honestly don't know why anybody in Cali would buy a full-size gun in less than .45acp.
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In a cost analysis the 40 is a little more expensit then the nine and the 45 is way more expensive to shot.
The 40 cal is leading the pack for my next purchase.
I'm a Sig Sauer fan and have owned a number over the years (P225, P220, P226, P229R, etc). I haven't had a chance to play with their newer options like the P250, though.

Relative to the cost of ownership (vs cost of purchase), my .40 P229R does have a Bar-Sto barrel that drops in and allows me to shoot cheap 9mm range loads. Because it's so quick and easy to field strip, I can swap barrels in under 60 seconds without trying.

I use more expensive .40 self-defense loads but still have a bunch of CCI Blazer aluminum and Winchester white box in 9mm that I had stocked up on way back when that I use for punching hole in paper.
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After using .40 since '05, I will use 9mm going forward. I want the higher mag cap and better/quicker follow up shots.
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As far as magazine capacity goes . There are loopwholes in the law. Like grandfathered in magazines. You never take those to the range ever !!! But you can have them in your house. You just don't tell people you don't trust that you have them. I have some OlD magazines laying around that I've had for years. So I do find the nines a viable option. I just cannot purchase any more in California.
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I'm a Sig Sauer fan and have owned a number over the years (P225, P220, P226, P229R, etc). I haven't had a chance to play with their newer options like the P250, though.

Relative to the cost of ownership (vs cost of purchase), my .40 P229R does have a Bar-Sto barrel that drops in and allows me to shoot cheap 9mm range loads. Because it's so quick and easy to field strip, I can swap barrels in under 60 seconds without trying.

I use more expensive .40 self-defense loads but still have a bunch of CCI Blazer aluminum and Winchester white box in 9mm that I had stocked up on way back when that I use for punching hole in paper.
No failure to feed or other issues with the 9mm P229 swap?

In other news, I'm about to throw this Ruger LCP in the trash. I bought it on a whim and regret it. The occasional failure to rack or eject has turned this thing into an expensive throwing rock.
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No failure to feed or other issues with the 9mm P229 swap?

In other news, I'm about to throw this Ruger LCP in the trash. I bought it on a whim and regret it. The occasional failure to rack or eject has turned this thing into an expensive throwing rock.
try polishing the internal slide, and feed ramp on barrel. My wife's S&W Bodyguard 380ACP had issues until I polished a few bits here and there.
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Will do. Thanks!
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$70 later and I've got a tracking number for my first AR part, Anderson stripped lower with the closed thumb hole. $60 plus shipping off fat boy, not as cheap as the $50 Palmetto had them for, but I snoozed & loozed on that deal. This is actually going to be a gift to my dad for christmas, but odds are eventually it will be mine again (and then my kids? christ that's scary), hopefully in a long long time.

I finally got in touch with the closest FFL to me per the various find-me-a-damn-FFL websites. Sounds like an older guy who cannot operate a computer very well. He wanted to snailmail his info to Fat Boy Tac. but got his fax machine working instead. Only $15 transfer (plus $15 background check that everyone charges). That's like, cheap for NJ. Googling this guy suggests that he may be a fairly competent gunsmith.

I'd much rather build my own receivers but that's a no-no in NJ.
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No failure to feed or other issues with the 9mm P229 swap?
Good point. I do have some occassional failures with the conversion barrel. I would guesstimate 1 failure per 200 rounds or less. I do still have the stock guide rod and spring. I vaguely remember hearing that swapping out the spring made for improved reliability.


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In other news, I'm about to throw this Ruger LCP in the trash. I bought it on a whim and regret it. The occasional failure to rack or eject has turned this thing into an expensive throwing rock.
I hate everything about my LCP other than its size and weight when carrying.
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Good point. I do have some occassional failures with the conversion barrel. I would guesstimate 1 failure per 200 rounds or less. I do still have the stock guide rod and spring. I vaguely remember hearing that swapping out the spring made for improved reliability.




I hate everything about my LCP other than its size and weight when carrying.
I heard good things about the Taurus TCP because it stays open on empty magazine and has some other good features. I would give it a shot if it weren't for the fact that I already have a Kahr PM9 that works very well for me.

I would also try a Kahr 380 if you are stuck on that caliber.
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I already have a Kahr PM9 that works very well for me.
Kahr makes some excellent little carry pistols. I've had the pleasure of shooting a few, and I've been very impressed.

If I had to carry a "pocket pistol" and couldn't pony up to buy a Kahr, I'd get a Ruger SP101. These are very solid double actions that can be had in 38 or 357, with or without a hammer. No MIM parts or springs to wear out while it sits loaded (transfer bar for safety). Just drop in a cargo pocket or it stick in your jacket pocket and go. The best carry pistol is the one you have with you when you need it.

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SP101 is a solid choice. I will be picking one up at some point. I had a Speed-Six which is L-frame sized but sold it to a retired friend who needed it more than me. I really loved that pistol and if I ever see one for sale for a decent price I will buy another. (I also am in my friend's will to get the pistol back when he dies).
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