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Old 01-19-2014, 07:39 PM   #4061
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If you build it, zero it and keep it as a "trunk gun".
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:16 PM   #4062
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After thinking for a while about an AR build I might as well go all the way and get one of those poly 80% receiver kits. The one from EP Armory looks like fun. Of course, that kills the idea of selling the rifle but I could always buy a serial'd receiver at a later time if I wanted to get rid of the firearm.
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Such morons.......the article mentioned that the ban on gun sales in Chicago was designed to keep criminals from getting guns. What? Do they really think the average crook/thief/druggie/murderer goes to the local gun store to get his weaponry? These guys are so far removed from reality that it's scary.
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For a straight HD/plinker, that PTAC upper w/bcg is ****... but they go in/out of stock at PSA in minutes. Honestly, I don't think they can possibly be making any profit on those, but using them as a marketing tool because you're probably going to buy more stuff at the same time. If I bought one of those, I would break it down to individual parts and reassemble to spec... quality control is one of the first things to go out the window at that price-point.

The absolute mo'effin bottom has dropped out of the AR market (was I the only one who saw this coming?). It boggles my freaking mind that anybody can get more than $50 for a forged lower now that PSA is selling their own and Anderson units for $50. 4 months ago, the big LGS/pawnshop in town had a dozen or so AR's on the wall... all of them hi-dollar models... today they have about 150 in all flavors AND ARE STILL asking $129 for a stripped lower... just don't get it.

I'll reiterate my take on polymer... not yet. No matter what some people say, they are simply not strong enough for more than .22lr. Centerfire ammo over time will break all of them at the rear arch (which probably won't hurt you at all, but **** me no way). "Over time" could be 20, of 20k, but they will break... whereas theoretically, a forged unit will shoot more ammo than there is lead buried in the ground. I don't know anything about the plastic industry, but I have to assume that someday (perhaps tomorrow), somebody will invent a polymer that is superior in all ways to the 2 main aluminum blends currently used, at a much cheaper price-point... but we're not there yet. I will not be buying a polymer lower anytime soon, especially one that I have to finish with a dremel.

Now my take on 80% stuff... awesome... but currently sucks. Just in the last few months have you been able to find 80% stuff again. For the entire previous year, you couldn't find them at any price. Every single unit was being sold as a finished gun. And now, because thousands of dudes who previously wouldn't have considered buying an 80% lower are ONLY considering them (thanks to Obama), and that has driven the price of 80% lower HIGHER than you can buy finished pieces for even after shipping and FFL fees. AYFKM???

My other take on 80% lowers (I've said this before)... unless you live in a "ban state", it's just not worth the effort considering the current price of finished lowers if you only need one or two and immediately intend to turn them into shooters.

Consider this... currently, completed forged lowers are cheaper than forged or plastic 80% lowers. So, what might be the future advantage to buying an 80% now (we'll just consider forged)... answer... NOTHING.

If the gov't ever bans the sale of assault rifles, and you refuse to register it (assuming there is grandfathering), you'll have to bury either flavor it in the backyard and save it for TEOTWAWKI/zombies/collapse when the gov't isn't soluble anymore. If the confiscations ever start in a current gun-friendly state (SC for example), even if "the gov't" manages to track you down through FFL records as having bought one in the past (after you bury it in the backyard), you can always say you sold it... which takes us back to it not mattering if it has a serial number.

If it just turns your stomach that the gov't still doesn't understand "shall not be infringed", then I can't help you... but I'll bet that whatever logic 99% of people use who buy an 80% lower doesn't hold water if the reason involves "the gov't"... assuming you don't live in CA/NY/NJ/MA. If you're a nerd and just love making ****, then good on ya... but don't try and convince yourself that an AR15 without a serial number on the lower receiver is safer from "the gov't" than one without.

But when the price goes back down to $35 shipped for 80% lowers... hell yeah they're a good idea... grab yourself 10 of them and a jig (good chance to convince the wife you need to buy a used mill off CL) and go to town.

Hey Robert... don't you have a crate of Mosin's sitting around? How about putting an add out on Armslist for a trade... I bet you can get 2 stripped lowers per Mosin in the current climate.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:06 AM   #4065
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Personally, I don't care if the gov't knows I have weapons. I'd do the 80% for fun, not for "**** you Obama/Gov't". A $50 poly lower seems like a good place to start. Build one and then wait for a cheap metal 80% to play with (get my feet wet with plastic first). I watched some poly reviews on youtube and the EP Lower one looked a little more beefy than the rest. I've shot less than 1000 rounds of 223 so far and probably won't shoot much more than that total in the next few years. Durability isn't real high on my list (sounds shitty but that is realistic - I just won't ever shoot the thing). I enjoy shooting the my Mosin and my 10/22. Since 22lr ammo is so expensive the Mosin is all I ever shoot now. If I manage to get my hands on 22lr I always end up selling it for a profit instead of shooting it. Buying it for $0.07 / round doesn't mean I am shooting it for $0.07 - it means that I am missing out on reselling it for $0.15 per round. I just can't see paying that much to shoot a 22.

Mosin prices have dropped as well (not crazy like AR prices). Not sure what I could get for them in trade but it is an interesting idea. AK prices, on the other hand, went down and started going back up. I've been wanting a cheap plastic AK to play with. I found them for around $475 but prices jumped again a couple of weeks ago. I'm hoping I didn't miss my opportunity to buy another one. Bought three of them for $500 each a couple of years ago and ended up selling them when everything went crazy (sold the last one for $1300). I'd like a replacement sometime in the near future.

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Got two new revolvers this week (none of the pictures are original):

#1 - EAA Windicator 357 Mag to replace the one with the buggered barrel. It has bad machining on the muzzle like the "good" one of the pair so I am assuming that is what they all look like.



#2 - My grandfathers US Army S&W 1917 (manufactured in 1918 per serial number). Grandpa had cut the barrel down to carry it in his back pocket decades ago and dad replaced it. Maybe grandpa was going for the Indy look:



Full length:



Ammo 45 auto rim ammo is $1.50 per round so I'll have to buy some moon clips like the picture and shoot ACP.
Range report:

I finally got out to the range and shot both pistols last week. The M1917 was like shooting a stick of butter. Seemed like a really nice pistol. I bought a nylon holster for it and a 12 pack of 6 round moon clips. The snub nose 357 mag was loud, kicked like hell (sort of), and threw a ridiculous fire ball out of the muzzle. If you break into my house at night and I miss when I shoot, you will still be blinded by the flash and will **** your pants over the report. The grip is a hard rubber and very rough in your hand as far as absorbing recoil. A day at the range with this pistol would make your hand hurt. I would replace the grip but I won't ever shoot more than a box or two of ammo through it. I bought two speed loaders and a little dual holster for the speed loaders. The pistol will probably spend the rest of its life sitting on my wife's desk for when I work night shift.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:15 PM   #4067
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PSA has 10-pack blems in stock again at $499 with free shipping.

I passed on this the first time because at $500 it's not exactly impulse-purchase territory. But after considering it for awhile, I decided I would jump on this if I ever saw the offer again.

PSA Safe/Fire Lower Blem 10-pack

It's not a picto, it's the safe/fire lower; but being military, I convinced myself that the safe/fire is my preference. Having it shipped to a FFL I've never gone through, transfers are $15 for the first, and $5 for each additional. Sweet.

3 of these will be dedicated as pistols. Now I can keep my eye out for the rare .50 beowulf 12" upper for a deer hunting "handgun".

TL;DR Alert. Skip this part: The only guns allowed for deer hunting in Ohio are shotguns, muzzle-loaders, and handguns firing straight-walled cartridges above a certain caliber and with a 5" or greater barrel length. For accurracy, you're basically limited to large caliber revolvers or desert eagles (because of the action style), neither of which I prefer. I just want to hunt deer with a .50 cal "assault" pistol - muahahahaha!
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:28 PM   #4068
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I haven't shot in a while.

This weekend I shot a glock and was doing bad, all my shots were low and left. I realized I was using my left eye (instinct I always do, you would lol when you watched me try to fire a rifle for the first time). As soon as I switched back to my right I hit 7 in the center at 25ft. in a row.

beware of right-eyed Brain.

I also hit bulleyes at 30ft. with a 12 gauge.


Also shot a Ruger 10/22, once we dialed in the laser it was so lol how easy that thing is to shoot. Standing up and shooting at 50' it was hard not to hit the center.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:28 PM   #4069
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PSA has 10-pack blems in stock again at $499 with free shipping.
I'm confused on who buys these. Do you build guns and sell them after buying a 10 pack? Does that not kind of get into a legal thing? I can't see needing more than 3 AR's so a purchase of 10 would mean I have 7 too many. I know there are a few here that have purchased a 10 pack and I am curious as to the reason.
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I'm confused on who buys these. Do you build guns and sell them after buying a 10 pack? Does that not kind of get into a legal thing? I can't see needing more than 3 AR's so a purchase of 10 would mean I have 7 too many. I know there are a few here that have purchased a 10 pack and I am curious as to the reason.
ATF rules are VERY specific. Technically, it's illegal to purchase a gun for somebody else... called a "straw purchase". So if you buy 10 receivers with the INTENTION of keeping one for yourself and SELLING the extra 9 for a profit, you a VERY guilty of a felony. But if it's your intent to buy 10 receivers, build some of them into complete guns, and then sit on the rest for future builds, you're VERY in-the-clear. Should you decide (in the future) that you don't need all of them, and decide to sell them off, there's no crime.

THIS IS NOT GREY AREA, BUT YOU CAN'T **** AROUND WITH IT!!!

My AR15 wish list:
1. 14" carbine "ultimate light-weight HD"
2. 16" mid-length ALL-MAGPUL/AIMPOINT
3. 20" precision "money is no object" 1000yd build

4. 18" 300blk deer gun
5. 10" 300blk pistol

6. 14" 6.8spc HD gun
7. 22" 6.8 precision deer gun

8. 9mm build
9. ALL PINK .22lr build for my daughter
10. .50 beowulf "**** YOU" build

Sure, you could build a couple lowers and just have 20 uppers to throw on them, or you could have 10 very distinct and separate guns on hand. There is absolutely a market for people who wish to buy 10 lowers who intend to use them all.

Some people might be buying them as a monetary investment (very SMART people), while others are buying them as a safety investment... ie, next month buying 10 LPK's.... and the next month, buying 10 barrels... and the next month, buying 10 upper recievers... etc... until they have 10 guns ready to rock for the apocalypse.

IMHO, if you have $550 bucks lying around for your gun hobby (and you live in a "free" state), you are a ******* fool not to take advantage of this deal.
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This seems relevant to this thread, on this board:

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Nobody buys 10 AR-15 uppers and plans to build ten 16" 5.56mm rifles....

My current wishlist:

.22lr pistol
.22lr rifle
.450 bushmaster / .50 beowulf pistol (legal for deer hunting in Ohio)
20" .50 beowulf rifle
1000 meter precision rifle
SBR+Suppressed 5.56
300BLK Hog gun
20" Varminter
14" All-Purpose 5.56 Rifle
5.56 pistol


.22lr pistol:


.50 beowulf vs. 5.56mm


long range precision
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Nobody buys 10 AR-15 uppers and plans to build ten 16" 5.56mm rifles....
The zombies will come after you first fooger.


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Old 01-27-2014, 10:27 AM   #4074
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Can anyone help me with a ballpark price estimate? I can't access some of the normal resources from my current location.

It's a late 1980s vintage Ruger New Model Super Single Six. It has two cylinders: one for .22 and the other for some sort of magnum round. It's got nice wood grips and appears to be in very good condition.

I'm trying to help a friend get a fair price on it, not trying to score a deal for myself.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:35 AM   #4075
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Probably a .22 magnum on the second cylinder. Barrel length? Blue/ss/chrome? Condition? Custom grips?

I had one in stainless with a six inch barrel. I had a western style holster custom made for it that sat nice and low off he hip for cowboy action shooting. That's actually where my "sixshooter" moniker originated.


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Old 01-27-2014, 12:11 PM   #4076
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S&W sport model AR for $578:

SMITH AND WESSON MP-15 SPORT 5.56 RIFLE @ Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore:
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Probably a .22 magnum on the second cylinder. Barrel length? Blue/ss/chrome? Condition? Custom grips?
It actually looks an awful lot like that one pictured, from the one small photo I have seen. It's stainless and I'd wager it is a 6" barrel. Comes with a nice leather holster in addition to the second cylinder.

A friend has been offered $300 for it, along with some ammo, and they don't know if that's a reasonable offer or a lowball. I'm trying to give them some guidance.
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That might be a bit low. Especially with two cylinders and a nice holster. I've been out of the gun buying hobby for several years so I would seek out classifieds for comparable units.
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That might be a bit low. Especially with two cylinders and a nice holster. I've been out of the gun buying hobby for several years so I would seek out classifieds for comparable units.
I was hoping someone else would help me out with that today.

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Can anyone help me with a ballpark price estimate? I can't access some of the normal resources from my current location.
I'll check some online options later tonight.
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Check gunbroker.com in the SOLD section. See what the other ones actually went for. I'm getting (unbelievable) $.22 a round for CCI Mini-Mag right now. Be careful selling too much ammo with the gun. If there is a lot it might be worth more than the pistol.
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