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Old 12-09-2014, 04:31 PM   #261
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Having never driven that track and only having seen it through videos, it's hard to judge, but his lines don't seem that good. Is that accurate? It looked to me like the Mustang he made fun of had much better lines than he did.
I think so. He was wild and inconsistent. Certainly, the line into the tire wall could stand improvement.
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It's basically a personal goal of mine to not end up on a thread like this.
Challenge accepted!!

Do you have a roll bar yet? Need to have you out as a guest sometime during the holidays.
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Do you have a roll bar yet? Need to have you out as a guest sometime during the holidays.
No roll bar yet, that money went to the hard top I bought.

I decided to rid this car of a soft top this winter. I got fed up with soft tops when Robbins decided that they weren't going to make my custom ordered Parchment top after telling me repeatedly over 4 months that it was going to be ready in 2 weeks. I wanted the parchment color to keep the original color scheme as well as keep heat down in the summer.

Should have just bought a standard black softtop, but now I have a mismatched hardtop and no car money

I'm happy I bought the hardtop, but wish I had enough car money set aside to get a roll bar, a pair of the Sparco Revs, and a set of harnesses. It's just a matter of time, learning to be patient.
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I don't have the expertise to critique your driving but what App/software did you use to create that video overlay and was it easy to do? That's a pretty nifty for comparing driving lines.
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I thought your hand motions were really good. ??

Agree on software. That comparo was cool.
GoPro HD Hero (the OG) + RaceChrono + RaceRender + Qstarz 818XT 10Hz GPS

I think RaceChrono is now a paid app, but RaceRender is like $30 and you can have multiple data streams and they have a syncing tool that allows you to sync up your video and data with no real issue.

I thought that the video was cool just because we were taught the same lines by the same club, but it's the minor stuff like shifting a bit early that allowed me to catch up.
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I've helped out this team the past few years and they race really clean. The #133 flipped off Rob in the braking zone to T1 and just punted into him in T2. ******* awful.
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That was really stupid and senseless. WTF??

What kind of race was this? And why are people like that allowed on track?
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Looks like eastern Chumpionship race at VIR from this last weekend?

So...a Chumpcar race
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He was so far left and clear on the pass, it had to be intentional or part failure. It was like 2 car widths clear.

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Pls judge how bad me and Fatcow are..
Tell Fatcow you're beating him with "slow in fast out". Watch the entire video, speedos only and you can see it happen. Very cool.
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I've helped out this team the past few years and they race really clean. The #133 flipped off Rob in the braking zone to T1 and just punted into him in T2. ******* awful.
I've watched this a few times over and ignoring all that happens in T1 and T2, I would say "Rob" put himself in a really bad position in the final turn. There's little chance the BMW driver knew he was there (ie on the inside @ the apex). It's very likely the guy was more concentrated on the two cars in front of him then he was on the car 4-5 car lengths back.

People (generally!!!) won't hit what they can see, and won't turn down on what they can see. If you're going to put yourself on the inside of a car at the apex of a turn, make sure he can see you before HE turns in for the corner. This should be especially true in endurance racing...and doubly true in Chumpcar/Lemons endurance racing.

It doesn't look like this was the case in the final turn. The BMW driver did not see Rob on the inside and "turned down" on him. The BMW driver probably felt like Rob dive bombed him and tried to turn him. He was probably angered and may have tried to retaliate a little in T2.

As someone who is building a really clean car into a ChumpCar I'm really hoping to avoid these kinds of shenanigans...
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Welp, I guess in Lemons and Chump, you need to remember:

1. You are potentially driving with really inexperienced and unaware a**holes. Just like a freeway in LA.

2. It's an endurance race. The point is to finish so you and your teammates get lots of fun seat time.

I think you're right about the first turn. The BMW's driving was erratic and "Rob" would have been wise to give him room. You need to spot these types on the track to survive.

The second turn was pure road rage. Look how long the BMW is on the brakes compared to the car ahead of him. He's dragging it down and forcing "Rob" to pass so he could take him out. The "bird" through the window net makes his intentions clear.

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GoPro HD Hero (the OG) + RaceChrono + RaceRender + Qstarz 818XT 10Hz GPS

I think RaceChrono is now a paid app, but RaceRender is like $30 and you can have multiple data streams and they have a syncing tool that allows you to sync up your video and data with no real issue.

I thought that the video was cool just because we were taught the same lines by the same club, but it's the minor stuff like shifting a bit early that allowed me to catch up.
Tech now days sure is cool. App is android only tho at the moment :(
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As someone who is very ignorant and has never been on a track i gotta ask.

Is it general practice for the instructor to drive your car?
I can't see this being a practical way of learning anything if you're the student.
Depends on the instructor.

I picked up a ton of stuff when an instructor drove my car for a session.

Then again, this was my instructor.

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And here is a pic of me screwing up "The Bitch" at Hallett going backward the next day. Got in way deep on the brakes. Dropped the right rear off the curbing, but just kept my foot in it and pulled it back on track and kept going.

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There could be a whole new thread on bad Chump Car driving. I've never been out on course as a driver, but I've seen some stupid stuff in the races I've worked as a crew (and I have a limited view of the course, haha).
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I've watched this a few times over and ignoring all that happens in T1 and T2, I would say "Rob" put himself in a really bad position in the final turn. There's little chance the BMW driver knew he was there (ie on the inside @ the apex). It's very likely the guy was more concentrated on the two cars in front of him then he was on the car 4-5 car lengths back.

People (generally!!!) won't hit what they can see, and won't turn down on what they can see. If you're going to put yourself on the inside of a car at the apex of a turn, make sure he can see you before HE turns in for the corner. This should be especially true in endurance racing...and doubly true in Chumpcar/Lemons endurance racing.

It doesn't look like this was the case in the final turn. The BMW driver did not see Rob on the inside and "turned down" on him. The BMW driver probably felt like Rob dive bombed him and tried to turn him. He was probably angered and may have tried to retaliate a little in T2.

As someone who is building a really clean car into a ChumpCar I'm really hoping to avoid these kinds of shenanigans...
Weird. I kind of disagree seeing how the BMW driver was quite aware of where Rob was in the braking zone into T1:
e: your use of "last turn" confused me a bit, I think that the Hogpen was a truly accidental bump, but everyone came out of it OK



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I won't name names but the guy driving the 133 e30 is a good friend of mine. He is a former Grand-Am driver who's has a dozen Daytona 24s under his belt. Basically, a good guy.
A former pro racer who drives like a dipshit: Basically, a good guy. Tom Long was driving a Miata this past weekend and Randy Pobst is a familiar face at Chump races, it's weird how you don't hear them t-boning the **** out of the P2 car.

The hogpen hit was probably just a matter of it being kind of busy. But it's kind of a textbook "racing incident", the **** after the front straight is some (inexcusable) amateur hour bullshit, though. The Camaro backed way the **** off and Rob's turn-in for T1 was super late to pass on the outside edge of the track.
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I've watched this a few times over and ignoring all that happens in T1 and T2, I would say "Rob" put himself in a really bad position in the final turn. There's little chance the BMW driver knew he was there (ie on the inside @ the apex). It's very likely the guy was more concentrated on the two cars in front of him then he was on the car 4-5 car lengths back.

People (generally!!!) won't hit what they can see, and won't turn down on what they can see. If you're going to put yourself on the inside of a car at the apex of a turn, make sure he can see you before HE turns in for the corner. This should be especially true in endurance racing...and doubly true in Chumpcar/Lemons endurance racing.

It doesn't look like this was the case in the final turn. The BMW driver did not see Rob on the inside and "turned down" on him. The BMW driver probably felt like Rob dive bombed him and tried to turn him. He was probably angered and may have tried to retaliate a little in T2.

As someone who is building a really clean car into a ChumpCar I'm really hoping to avoid these kinds of shenanigans...
Dunno about this. 133 was definitely not driving right. I am not buying the "he didn't see him at the inside and the apex". Why did he move to inside line at the 3 marker? It doesn't make sense, especially from a pro driver, unless you are trying to cover someone off.

A lot of people expressed disappointment at his behavior on track due to this incident, and another shouting fit in pits at some point this weekend.

I get it, some people get red mist and do stupid ****, but I am really surprised by the "he didn't see him" argument. Especially with the middle finger.

I am in the same boat...Building a "nice" chumpcar and hoping this type of behavior won't be tolerated.
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I don't think anyone his saying he didn't see him before the second hit.

What I see is erratic driving from the 133. He ran into rob in that earlier corner and likely didn't see him, though he really made a sudden move there.

Obviously the second hit was completely, utterly intentional and he should be ejected from the race and the series for that bullshit.

As a track noob that's what I see.
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I think you guys are missing the point where I was solely talking about the incident at 0:11 in the video (ie "the last turn"). To me it seems that this incident may have instigated the T2 shunt.

I was in no way saying the BMW driver didn't see him in T1 and T2, he clearly knew where he was.

I would agree that the contact in T2 was completely intentional unless there was some sort of mechanical failure.


Also, back to the incident at 0:11 into the video, it may have been a "racing incident" and may have been "textbook", but that doesn't mean it wasn't completely avoidable. Had Rob assumed that the BMW driver didn't see him and not stuck his nose in on him, maybe all of this would have never happened (in no way am I insinuating the actions of the driver of car 133 are anything other than abhorrent).

I was not at the event, and do not know the drivers nor the cars, I'm just going off of what I see in the posted video.

Finally, anyone can buy a seat in Grand Am and/or buy a seat in the Rolex 24 hours. It is in no way an indication of skill level, intelligence, or aptitude. Let's just say it was a whole lot harder to get my SCCA competition license then it was to get my Grand AM license...
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I don't think anyone his saying he didn't see him before the second hit.

What I see is erratic driving from the 133. He ran into rob in that earlier corner and likely didn't see him, though he really made a sudden move there.

Obviously the second hit was completely, utterly intentional and he should be ejected from the race and the series for that bullshit.

As a track noob that's what I see.

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I think you guys are missing the point where I was solely talking about the incident at 0:11 in the video (ie "the last turn"). To me it seems that this incident may have instigated the T2 shunt.

I was in no way saying the BMW driver didn't see him in T1 and T2, he clearly knew where he was.

I would agree that the contact in T2 was completely intentional unless there was some sort of mechanical failure.


Also, back to the incident at 0:11 into the video, it may have been a "racing incident" and may have been "textbook", but that doesn't mean it wasn't completely avoidable. Had Rob assumed that the BMW driver didn't see him and not stuck his nose in on him, maybe all of this would have never happened (in no way am I insinuating the actions of the driver of car 133 are anything other than abhorrent).

I was not at the event, and do not know the drivers nor the cars, I'm just going off of what I see in the posted video.

Finally, anyone can buy a seat in Grand Am and/or buy a seat in the Rolex 24 hours. It is in no way an indication of skill level, intelligence, or aptitude. Let's just say it was a whole lot harder to get my SCCA competition license then it was to get my Grand AM license...
I agree that the BMW probably didn't see rob in Hogpen. Actually when I saw this video my initially thought is exactly this. Either he was the guy that hit Dustin the day before and was upset from that incident, or the contact in hogpen pushed him over the edge and instigated the T1-T2 hit.

Sorry about the misunderstanding on my part.

Technically based on chump rules, they would probably blame rob for both hits (if the second was deemed not intentional). Just quick reading of contact during passing says that the pass is not complete/safe until the passing car is one car length ahead. It's a rule that no one is likely to follow in the literal sense, but I can see it being difficult to see a car on the outside of a turn, even if he is along side you.

Carry on .
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What I see is erratic driving from the 133. He ran into rob in that earlier corner and likely didn't see him, though he really made a sudden move there.
Here's the thing though...the driver of 133 didn't run into Rob. Rob hit him. You can't hit someone with the back of your car (unless you're traveling in reverse I suppose).

His move may appear sudden but to me it looks totally predictable. He's taking a somewhat standard racing line through the corner, and the camaro in front of him is going significantly slower. So he moves over to avoid the slow moving camaro and to get down to the apex.


Regardless of all that, I agree that the driver of 133 should have been booted from the race and had his driving privelages revoked...
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You're right, I misspoke. Rob did hit him, but with the way 133 was driving it didn't look like he was going to go for the apex, it looked like 133 had seen rob and was letting him by before passing the camaro... then suddenly 133 decided to pass the camaro, not seeing rob at the apex.

Anywhooooo...
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