Motion Control Single adjustables installed
06-04-2014, 11:54 PM
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All great points, we also need to factor in the condition of the tires that are run, I use exclusively SM takeoffs which are past their prime when I get them. It would nice to do a day on fresh rubber but alas that is not quite yet possible for me.
Another topic to consider is chassis rigidity, Laz has a 235k chassis with a bolt in autopower roll bar and lots of bits cut out vs. rover's full cage. You can have the best suspension in the world bit when the chassis flexes like a limp dong there is only so much even the best dampers can do. A cage is definitely in the future plans for Laz because I want to be able to maximize the ability of the shocks by providing a stiff chassis as a platform.
I imagine Andrew is also a better driver than I am, so of course that needs to be factored in.
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I didn't start this thread to become a MCS vs XIDA comparison, just showing whats out there and my current (still quite minimal) experience with the MCS. Rover has much more development into him at is point compared to Laz and I'm hoping perhaps with a fresher set of takeoffs I can get the car below 1:30.
Another topic to consider is chassis rigidity, Laz has a 235k chassis with a bolt in autopower roll bar and lots of bits cut out vs. rover's full cage. You can have the best suspension in the world bit when the chassis flexes like a limp dong there is only so much even the best dampers can do. A cage is definitely in the future plans for Laz because I want to be able to maximize the ability of the shocks by providing a stiff chassis as a platform.
I imagine Andrew is also a better driver than I am, so of course that needs to be factored in.
Finally,
I didn't start this thread to become a MCS vs XIDA comparison, just showing whats out there and my current (still quite minimal) experience with the MCS. Rover has much more development into him at is point compared to Laz and I'm hoping perhaps with a fresher set of takeoffs I can get the car below 1:30.
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06-05-2014, 02:09 AM
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I forgot to mention that Savington is also racing in a class where he is points-regulated. so his car is maybe 2400 lbs and for arguments sake makes 150whp. Laz is maybe 2000 lbs and makes 120ish? There is no apples to apples comparison. I was using it as a target number.
Add another 190-200 hp a bit of downforce on Xida's and I was running 1:21's while weighing a bit over 2500 lbs.
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06-05-2014, 09:56 AM
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You're saying a front running SM costs 5k to build ???? Shoot time to do SM lol.
Anyways, next time out I'll have my boss take the car out on slightly fresher takeoffs and see what it does. He is a much better driver than I am. I'll post results as they come.
Anyways, next time out I'll have my boss take the car out on slightly fresher takeoffs and see what it does. He is a much better driver than I am. I'll post results as they come.
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06-05-2014, 04:21 PM
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yeah, but midpack cars run in the 32-34s at PIR on fresh hoosiers. Even with the MCS the car has maybe 5K into it including the car, parts, and 3 sets of wheels. Granted we have done a lot of things ourselves but still, bang for the buck its hard to beat.
Anyways, back on topic.
Anyways, back on topic.
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06-05-2014, 05:02 PM
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"$50k" budget spec miata builds include labor costs from a shop for many things. Comparing that to the $5k in parts and doing all the labor yourself is not apples to apples by a long shot.
Also some of that cost goes into high-end w2w spec safety, which has nothing to do with lap times. Cage, seat, harness, seat mount, fire system, nets... can be $7-8k easy. Not saying every SM has that into it of course, but not all that $50k goes into speed that's for sure
I would guess Rover is not that much higher - it's more about allocating the money to better part choices that SM doesn't allow, not necessarily out-spending the SMs.
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Also some of that cost goes into high-end w2w spec safety, which has nothing to do with lap times. Cage, seat, harness, seat mount, fire system, nets... can be $7-8k easy. Not saying every SM has that into it of course, but not all that $50k goes into speed that's for sure
I would guess Rover is not that much higher - it's more about allocating the money to better part choices that SM doesn't allow, not necessarily out-spending the SMs.
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06-05-2014, 06:16 PM
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I fully expect the motion controls to be right in there with the XIDA in terms of performance and a 1:30 at PIR with a low budget ~$1000 car with some good suspension on it is a good time.
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