Motion Control Single adjustables installed - Page 2 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Race Prep Miata race-only chat.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-04-2014, 11:54 PM   #21
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

All great points, we also need to factor in the condition of the tires that are run, I use exclusively SM takeoffs which are past their prime when I get them. It would nice to do a day on fresh rubber but alas that is not quite yet possible for me.

Another topic to consider is chassis rigidity, Laz has a 235k chassis with a bolt in autopower roll bar and lots of bits cut out vs. rover's full cage. You can have the best suspension in the world bit when the chassis flexes like a limp dong there is only so much even the best dampers can do. A cage is definitely in the future plans for Laz because I want to be able to maximize the ability of the shocks by providing a stiff chassis as a platform.

I imagine Andrew is also a better driver than I am, so of course that needs to be factored in.

Finally,
I didn't start this thread to become a MCS vs XIDA comparison, just showing whats out there and my current (still quite minimal) experience with the MCS. Rover has much more development into him at is point compared to Laz and I'm hoping perhaps with a fresher set of takeoffs I can get the car below 1:30.

Last edited by curly; 06-05-2014 at 12:25 AM.
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 12:51 AM   #22
Cpt. Slow
iTrader: (25)
 
curly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 11,892
Total Cats: 487
Default

Gotta wonder how much the 1:30.4 record car cost. $1000? $1500? Gotta be at least $1500.
curly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 12:56 AM   #23
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 34,401
Total Cats: 2,249
Default

this seems like a legit suspension. well at least no one has discovered anything blatantly terrible about it.

so lets not crap up this thread with xida vs xxx. there's plenty of xida threads
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 02:09 AM   #24
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Anacortes, WA
Posts: 2,461
Total Cats: 110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lightw8 View Post
I forgot to mention that Savington is also racing in a class where he is points-regulated. so his car is maybe 2400 lbs and for arguments sake makes 150whp. Laz is maybe 2000 lbs and makes 120ish? There is no apples to apples comparison. I was using it as a target number.
Savington in the car is probably worth about a second over the above average club racer in the same car. The Kidd can drive. His dad in the same car same day who is an experienced racer himself was doing 1:32's and that was the first weekend ether of them drove the track.

Add another 190-200 hp a bit of downforce on Xida's and I was running 1:21's while weighing a bit over 2500 lbs.
bbundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 08:24 AM   #25
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 8,918
Total Cats: 93
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by curly View Post
Gotta be at least $1500.
If you drop the 1 off the front and add two 0 at the end you're probably close. Front running spec pinatas are stupid.

Last edited by Leafy; 06-05-2014 at 09:57 AM.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 09:56 AM   #26
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

You're saying a front running SM costs 5k to build ???? Shoot time to do SM lol.
Anyways, next time out I'll have my boss take the car out on slightly fresher takeoffs and see what it does. He is a much better driver than I am. I'll post results as they come.
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 09:58 AM   #27
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 8,918
Total Cats: 93
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greddygalant View Post
You're saying a front running SM costs 5k to build ???? Shoot time to do SM lol.
Anyways, next time out I'll have my boss take the car out on slightly fresher takeoffs and see what it does. He is a much better driver than I am. I'll post results as they come.
More like 50k.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 10:45 AM   #28
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

Nice edit
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 12:40 PM   #29
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,853
Total Cats: 993
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greddygalant View Post
You're saying a front running SM costs 5k to build ???? Shoot time to do SM lol.
45-55k
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 03:24 PM   #30
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

^kinda what I figured, his original post said drop the 1 and add a zero. Would you say Rover has more into it than your average SM?
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 03:52 PM   #31
Cpt. Slow
iTrader: (25)
 
curly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 11,892
Total Cats: 487
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
45-55k


I'll take our $2k that's only a half second off. For now anyways.
curly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 03:53 PM   #32
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 8,918
Total Cats: 93
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by curly View Post


I'll take our $2k that's only a half second off. For now anyways.
You can buy a mid pack car for 6-10k though. Cheating is expensive.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 04:21 PM   #33
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

yeah, but midpack cars run in the 32-34s at PIR on fresh hoosiers. Even with the MCS the car has maybe 5K into it including the car, parts, and 3 sets of wheels. Granted we have done a lot of things ourselves but still, bang for the buck its hard to beat.

Anyways, back on topic.
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 05:02 PM   #34
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,706
Total Cats: 357
Default

"$50k" budget spec miata builds include labor costs from a shop for many things. Comparing that to the $5k in parts and doing all the labor yourself is not apples to apples by a long shot.
Also some of that cost goes into high-end w2w spec safety, which has nothing to do with lap times. Cage, seat, harness, seat mount, fire system, nets... can be $7-8k easy. Not saying every SM has that into it of course, but not all that $50k goes into speed that's for sure

I would guess Rover is not that much higher - it's more about allocating the money to better part choices that SM doesn't allow, not necessarily out-spending the SMs.

-Ryan
ThePass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 05:08 PM   #35
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NH
Posts: 8,918
Total Cats: 93
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePass View Post
"$50k" budget spec miata builds include labor costs from a shop for many things. Comparing that to the $5k in parts and doing all the labor yourself is not apples to apples by a long shot.
No that 40k price difference is all about the cheating. Thats where the motors built to the whistler (and not the rules), the tuned ecu, bent upper control arms and other chassis tweak, etc.
Leafy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 05:18 PM   #36
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,706
Total Cats: 357
Default

Just to be clear, I think Laz is awesome, don't mean to detract from the impressive lap times in any way.
ThePass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 05:59 PM   #37
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 714
Total Cats: 29
Default

No worries, just wanted to introduce another option for track oriented motorsport grade suspension for the miata platform.
greddygalant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 06:16 PM   #38
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Anacortes, WA
Posts: 2,461
Total Cats: 110
Default

I fully expect the motion controls to be right in there with the XIDA in terms of performance and a 1:30 at PIR with a low budget ~$1000 car with some good suspension on it is a good time.
bbundy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 07:17 PM   #39
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,706
Total Cats: 357
Default

Sounds downright fast considering...
ThePass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2014, 09:13 PM   #40
Senior Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Rafael, CA
Posts: 987
Total Cats: 26
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbundy View Post
I fully expect the motion controls to be right in there with the XIDA in terms of performance and a 1:30 at PIR with a low budget ~$1000 car with some good suspension on it is a good time.
A local tuner I know runs them on BMW's and Miata's. He has had nothing but good things to say about em.
k24madness is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Another Cast Manifold Corky Bell Prefabbed Turbo Kits 18 11-22-2016 09:01 PM
OTS Bilstein to motorsports ASN conversion stoves Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 5 04-21-2016 03:00 PM
Back to Stock Part Out!! Turbo Parts, MS2 Enhanced 01-05, Suspension, and MOAR! StratoBlue1109 Miata parts for sale/trade 16 10-02-2015 09:39 AM
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump $50 lsc224 Miata parts for sale/trade 2 10-01-2015 09:17 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:45 AM.