Tires-What are you using, what have you used?
10-08-2010, 04:51 PM
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I really liked a set of old Avon Tech R's I had. Very stiff sidewall so I didn't have to run a ton of camber on my daily driver I also track. Lots of audible communication and they held up really well right down to the cords. Can't say what the current Avons are like, other than expensive.
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10-08-2010, 08:00 PM
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Currently using 225/45/15 NT-01 on 6UL 15x8. Great tires, faster than I am, and a great value between the relatively cheap price and the long wear. And in a pinch you can drive them on the street.
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10-08-2010, 10:28 PM
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The RS-3s stick almost as good as the NT-01s, and better than the RA-1s cold, but will look like street tires much longer, so I will go more time before I am pulled over for "Bald Tires"
If I could afford to run Hoosiers all the time, I probably would. But my pockets aren't that deep and I am really not THAT competitive.
All except the Hoosiers were run in 225/45/15 on 15 x 9 6ULs The Hoosiers 275 on 15 x 10 steel.
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10-09-2010, 03:09 PM
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I really liked a set of old Avon Tech R's I had. Very stiff sidewall so I didn't have to run a ton of camber on my daily driver I also track. Lots of audible communication and they held up really well right down to the cords. Can't say what the current Avons are like, other than expensive.
Interesting...
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10-11-2010, 01:59 PM
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I thought the RA-1 was the NT-01's brother, not the R888.
FWIW both the RA-1, R888, and NT-01 have an AA A 100 (traction/temp/treadwear) rating. I had hoped that would be a differentiator but it is not. That does not mean they are all the same. There could be significant differences in the carcass and the tread compounds, not to mention the tread patterns which are all clearly different. RA-1 and NT-01 are slightly more similar on the tread pattern.
I was running the NT-01s on my LS1 Miata at Harris Hill (counterclockwise) this weekend. Clearly with the LS1 I can easily induce some throttle oversteer on the slow corners. The tires had good manners; I was able to control the corner exit rear traction pretty easily with the throttle since break away was predictable. That is a lot of fun.
FWIW both the RA-1, R888, and NT-01 have an AA A 100 (traction/temp/treadwear) rating. I had hoped that would be a differentiator but it is not. That does not mean they are all the same. There could be significant differences in the carcass and the tread compounds, not to mention the tread patterns which are all clearly different. RA-1 and NT-01 are slightly more similar on the tread pattern.
I was running the NT-01s on my LS1 Miata at Harris Hill (counterclockwise) this weekend. Clearly with the LS1 I can easily induce some throttle oversteer on the slow corners. The tires had good manners; I was able to control the corner exit rear traction pretty easily with the throttle since break away was predictable. That is a lot of fun.
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10-11-2010, 03:09 PM
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https://www.hoosiertire.com/discontinuedtires.htm
Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
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10-11-2010, 03:27 PM
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https://www.hoosiertire.com/discontinuedtires.htm
Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
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10-12-2010, 06:35 PM
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I've got some 23.0x10x15 on 9" and they fit pretty good on the rim. Just a little smaller than 275's.
Hoosier as some really good prices for wets in that discounted section (I'm constantly looking there). Hoosier > crack.
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10-12-2010, 10:44 PM
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Everyone needs to remember that there are 4 levels of driving so your actual opinion on a tire might very from driver to driver.
Slow and smooth level 1 aka "Sunday Drive"
'Overdrive" Slow but hard on tires brakes
"Smooth" Fast with barely any wear over Sunday Drive
"Wheelman" threshold braking, trail braking, throttle steering, etc, etc same wear as overdrive, plus other weird things, fastest guys on track
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Edit: Also never buy used Hoosiers, they are most likely heat cycled out. We had a guy a couple of months ago run his star specs on Saturday for practice, then mount up some used Hoosier's and run 2 sec slower on a 45 sec course...lol
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10-27-2010, 02:07 PM
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I drove on 3 sets of tires this past weekend in the rain.
A totally bald set of Nitto NT01s with minimal moisture on the track. A set of 60-75% tread NT01s with tons of standing water and a set of Hancook RS3s just about full tread depth.
I liked the hancooks in the rain the best, despite my best lap being on the 50% NT01s (conditions were different, not full downpour with the nittos)
A totally bald set of Nitto NT01s with minimal moisture on the track. A set of 60-75% tread NT01s with tons of standing water and a set of Hancook RS3s just about full tread depth.
I liked the hancooks in the rain the best, despite my best lap being on the 50% NT01s (conditions were different, not full downpour with the nittos)
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10-29-2010, 02:34 PM
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Might get flamed, i haven't purchased a real set of tires since my last set of azenis rt-615... um, about three years ago. I have a extra set of k1's from my e30 that i will be using as a auto-x/track wheel for the time being until i need to step into a 8 when the miata receives more power.
Why do you guys rate the RS3 higher then the Direzza Star Spec, Kumho XS, or Potenza RE-11 if they are all extreme performance Summers? I am doing a track day on the 14th of November and i am considering the NT-01's or one of the above street tire since they are all in the same ballpark on price... Would you recommend the Nt-01 in the following conditions:
Monticello 4.1mi full Course
1) 45-65 degrees' since it is in the middle of November
2) First day out on the track in the Miata, will be getting a auto-x under my belt on a loaned set of tires/wheels tomorrow.
Just trying to get a good idea from people with experience since these will be used for the beginning of 2011's season for HPDE/Auto-x use.
I just don't want to have to spend twice.
Thanks
Why do you guys rate the RS3 higher then the Direzza Star Spec, Kumho XS, or Potenza RE-11 if they are all extreme performance Summers? I am doing a track day on the 14th of November and i am considering the NT-01's or one of the above street tire since they are all in the same ballpark on price... Would you recommend the Nt-01 in the following conditions:
Monticello 4.1mi full Course
1) 45-65 degrees' since it is in the middle of November
2) First day out on the track in the Miata, will be getting a auto-x under my belt on a loaned set of tires/wheels tomorrow.
Just trying to get a good idea from people with experience since these will be used for the beginning of 2011's season for HPDE/Auto-x use.
I just don't want to have to spend twice.
Thanks
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10-29-2010, 03:20 PM
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I wouldn't recommend any R compound for your 1st time on track, especially on a cold day. You will spend the entire day trying to figure out a consistent line, braking & turn-in points. Monty is a fast track that takes whole day to learn for pretty much anybody. You will not have the brain capacity left to try and process the input from non-screaming non-street tires.
My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
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10-29-2010, 03:32 PM
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I wouldn't recommend any R compound for your 1st time on track, especially on a cold day. You will spend the entire day trying to figure out a consistent line, braking & turn-in points. Monty is a fast track that takes whole day to learn for pretty much anybody. You will not have the brain capacity left to try and process the input from non-screaming non-street tires.
My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
Everywhere i see the RS3 listed as a extreme performance street tire, why does everybody prefer them over the XS, RE11, or Star Spec? Do the RS3's react better for thirty minute heats compared to the other options?
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