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Old 10-08-2010, 05:51 PM   #41
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I really liked a set of old Avon Tech R's I had. Very stiff sidewall so I didn't have to run a ton of camber on my daily driver I also track. Lots of audible communication and they held up really well right down to the cords. Can't say what the current Avons are like, other than expensive.
These were my first race tires. I loved them, they lasted a long time and they never overheated and the stiff sidewall gave the car sharp turn-in. I didn't comment on them because I can't find then anymore.
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Currently using 225/45/15 NT-01 on 6UL 15x8. Great tires, faster than I am, and a great value between the relatively cheap price and the long wear. And in a pinch you can drive them on the street.
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R888 are crap, RA1 for life, NT01 slightly less life but slightly quicker times, RS3 for street/track duty. Hoosiers in 275 flavor or A6's for balla's.
Closest to my impressions/thoughts. I've run all of them on street and track except for the Hoosiers, which I have only run in autocross. Takes time to warm the RA-1s until they stick like NT-01s, which is probably why they last longer for street use.

The RS-3s stick almost as good as the NT-01s, and better than the RA-1s cold, but will look like street tires much longer, so I will go more time before I am pulled over for "Bald Tires"

If I could afford to run Hoosiers all the time, I probably would. But my pockets aren't that deep and I am really not THAT competitive.

All except the Hoosiers were run in 225/45/15 on 15 x 9 6ULs The Hoosiers 275 on 15 x 10 steel.
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I really liked a set of old Avon Tech R's I had. Very stiff sidewall so I didn't have to run a ton of camber on my daily driver I also track. Lots of audible communication and they held up really well right down to the cords. Can't say what the current Avons are like, other than expensive.
Eeeewww! I was running V710s on my RX7 and loved them. When it came time to buy a new set, Tirerack was running a big closeout special on the Avons and I got a set. You are right, they had a massive sidewall. You could almost run them without air in them. But they weighed over four pounds more per tire than my V710s did and KILLED my times. The car was no longer even close to competitive. I hated going out in it. Those tires were actually part of the reason that I went ahead and bought my Miata. The RX7 just wasn't as fun anymore.

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FYI, Tamparally has 205/50/15 Hankook DOT z214's and F200 non DOT slicks in soft compounds, closeout for $79 and $95. Would be good autoX tires, doubt the soft compound would hold up well for heavy track duty.
Interesting...
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Another hot deal that might work for guys running 9" wheels. Hoosier has discontinued road race slicks, medium compound 23.5" x 12" x 15" for $110 with free shipping.
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R888 are crap, RA1 for life, NT01 slightly less life but slightly quicker times, RS3 for street/track duty. Hoosiers in 275 flavor or A6's for balla's.
R888 crap? You do know that R888s by Toyo are basically the same tire as the Nitto NT01's for compound? Nitto is made/owned by Toyo
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I thought the RA-1 was the NT-01's brother, not the R888.

FWIW both the RA-1, R888, and NT-01 have an AA A 100 (traction/temp/treadwear) rating. I had hoped that would be a differentiator but it is not. That does not mean they are all the same. There could be significant differences in the carcass and the tread compounds, not to mention the tread patterns which are all clearly different. RA-1 and NT-01 are slightly more similar on the tread pattern.

I was running the NT-01s on my LS1 Miata at Harris Hill (counterclockwise) this weekend. Clearly with the LS1 I can easily induce some throttle oversteer on the slow corners. The tires had good manners; I was able to control the corner exit rear traction pretty easily with the throttle since break away was predictable. That is a lot of fun.

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Another hot deal that might work for guys running 9" wheels. Hoosier has discontinued road race slicks, medium compound 23.5" x 12" x 15" for $110 with free shipping.
Where? Link please.
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https://www.hoosiertire.com/discontinuedtires.htm

Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
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https://www.hoosiertire.com/discontinuedtires.htm

Sorry I forgot to put this up. They always have a list of discontinued tires they are blowing out at the Hoosier website. You have to click on the "begin shopping" tab on this page. They don't have a "direct" link. Have to go through this page.
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Another hot deal that might work for guys running 9" wheels. Hoosier has discontinued road race slicks, medium compound 23.5" x 12" x 15" for $110 with free shipping.
Good price, but not a good fit on 9" (they recommend 14" rim width). That tire is close to a 305/35/15.

I've got some 23.0x10x15 on 9" and they fit pretty good on the rim. Just a little smaller than 275's.

Hoosier as some really good prices for wets in that discounted section (I'm constantly looking there). Hoosier > crack.
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R888 crap? You do know that R888s by Toyo are basically the same tire as the Nitto NT01's for compound? Nitto is made/owned by Toyo
The R888 is not the same compound as the RA1/NT01. The stiffer side wall made the tires very sensative to tire pressure, heat cycling, and cupping. You are better served running the RA1 for life or NT01 for more grip. There is a reason Spec Miata dropped the R888 after the 09 season. Problems were being reported as early as December of 08 under private testing.

Everyone needs to remember that there are 4 levels of driving so your actual opinion on a tire might very from driver to driver.

Slow and smooth level 1 aka "Sunday Drive"
'Overdrive" Slow but hard on tires brakes
"Smooth" Fast with barely any wear over Sunday Drive
"Wheelman" threshold braking, trail braking, throttle steering, etc, etc same wear as overdrive, plus other weird things, fastest guys on track

lol

Edit: Also never buy used Hoosiers, they are most likely heat cycled out. We had a guy a couple of months ago run his star specs on Saturday for practice, then mount up some used Hoosier's and run 2 sec slower on a 45 sec course...lol
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Old 10-27-2010, 03:07 PM   #53
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I drove on 3 sets of tires this past weekend in the rain.

A totally bald set of Nitto NT01s with minimal moisture on the track. A set of 60-75% tread NT01s with tons of standing water and a set of Hancook RS3s just about full tread depth.

I liked the hancooks in the rain the best, despite my best lap being on the 50% NT01s (conditions were different, not full downpour with the nittos)
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Might get flamed, i haven't purchased a real set of tires since my last set of azenis rt-615... um, about three years ago. I have a extra set of k1's from my e30 that i will be using as a auto-x/track wheel for the time being until i need to step into a 8 when the miata receives more power.

Why do you guys rate the RS3 higher then the Direzza Star Spec, Kumho XS, or Potenza RE-11 if they are all extreme performance Summers? I am doing a track day on the 14th of November and i am considering the NT-01's or one of the above street tire since they are all in the same ballpark on price... Would you recommend the Nt-01 in the following conditions:
Monticello 4.1mi full Course
1) 45-65 degrees' since it is in the middle of November
2) First day out on the track in the Miata, will be getting a auto-x under my belt on a loaned set of tires/wheels tomorrow.

Just trying to get a good idea from people with experience since these will be used for the beginning of 2011's season for HPDE/Auto-x use.

I just don't want to have to spend twice.

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I wouldn't recommend any R compound for your 1st time on track, especially on a cold day. You will spend the entire day trying to figure out a consistent line, braking & turn-in points. Monty is a fast track that takes whole day to learn for pretty much anybody. You will not have the brain capacity left to try and process the input from non-screaming non-street tires.

My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
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I wouldn't recommend any R compound for your 1st time on track, especially on a cold day. You will spend the entire day trying to figure out a consistent line, braking & turn-in points. Monty is a fast track that takes whole day to learn for pretty much anybody. You will not have the brain capacity left to try and process the input from non-screaming non-street tires.

My recommendation - drive on whatever street tire got you there. The aural feedback and wider temperature range of a street tire will be a benefit 1st time out in the cold.
I have ran Monticello with other cars just not with the miata yet and you are right it is super technical. I am probably jumping the gun here on getting a set of R-Comps since i still lack experience with them and with not being able to predict weather i am better off being on a street tire.


Everywhere i see the RS3 listed as a extreme performance street tire, why does everybody prefer them over the XS, RE11, or Star Spec? Do the RS3's react better for thirty minute heats compared to the other options?
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RS3 comes in 225, Z1 comes in 205. XSs are terrible in the rain from what I've heard.
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Anyone ever use Goodyear slicks? I can get some used. Thinking about it.
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currently using AD08's on 205 50's. couldnt be happier. will prob try the rs3's next though just for kicks. should have new wheels by spring for new rubber.
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Just ordered 255 width RS3 as a do everything tire for the S2000.
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