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Old 02-03-2010, 04:36 AM   #21
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I did the same after trying to mess with it a few weeks ago, but while much better its still not perfect IMO.
I wanna try to get this whole prediction crap working cause it sounds like if done right it can completely get rid of the lean spike going back to light throttle/cruise after decel.

Just need to figure out EXACTLY what makes it spike like that then dip into rich
Tried increasing/decreasing transition time, no bueno. Tried raising/lowering asynch gain, no bueno. My maP values in the table are fairly accurate as well.
I mean without the prediction table its not HORRIBLE but I can't settle for anything less than great
Just don't know
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Turned off "use map prediction", and it fixed most issues for me.
I would but the base settings are worse than my predicted map settings.
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I wanna try to get this whole prediction crap working cause it sounds like if done right it can completely get rid of the lean spike going back to light throttle/cruise after decel.
I had the same issue with really light throttle and AFRs going full lean. Never could get it tuned out so I went back to the old method for now.
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Have you tried increasing the MAP value for the lower TPS rows? (I haven't tried this, just an idea)
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I did. still no bueno. The more I've been messing with it the more I can get it to go RICH right away, then it still leans out to like 15.5-16.5 AFR for a second or two and then goes to normal. I made sure my map isn't whats causing the lean condition and its not. My map is fairly rich.

I'm out of ideas
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I did. still no bueno. The more I've been messing with it the more I can get it to go RICH right away, then it still leans out to like 15.5-16.5 AFR for a second or two and then goes to normal. I made sure my map isn't whats causing the lean condition and its not. My map is fairly rich.

I'm out of ideas
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At a certain point it goes rich right off throttle also. I feel like the predicted map just doesn't work or something is wrong with the gain and transition time values. I had my predicted map dead-on at one point but it never got rid of lean tip in.
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At a certain point it goes rich right off throttle also. I feel like the predicted map just doesn't work or something is wrong with the gain and transition time values. I had my predicted map dead-on at one point but it never got rid of lean tip in.
+1, I messed around with it on a parking lot at least 5 hours. could never get it right. I did data log so value is correct. I believe there is an inherent issue with it. I got rid of predicted map, messed with other settings, and it was a lot better.

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can you guys post your current settings?
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Here are my current settings which are working well.

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here is mine. it works 90%.

I guess SV650 and I have completely different base maps. as some of our settings are not even close.
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wow they are WAY different. Different from mine too lol. I'll try each one of your guys' and see which is better. I'll try to snapshot my current ones too, but they are HORRIBLE just fyi
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I'm on stock injectors. If you're not, you'll probably need to reduce the asynch values.
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LOL. how can our Async be completely opposite !!!

same as the other thread. every base map is drastically different. I just took the base map, did dyno tune on it. so played with fuel and ignition map. other than that, not much else. I then had trasient throttle issue, really really bad, turned on map prediction, couldn't fix it forever. turned it off, was 50% better. than messed around with base setting, it is now 90% better.
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LOL. how can our Async be completely opposite !!!
well yours are wrong. should be tons at low RPM and almost none at high rpm.
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thanks. I will fix it. guess I will go another second faster, LOL.
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messed with it some more. no luck. going back to the old way til someone has a revelation and magically figures out how to get this **** to work.
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messed with it some more. no luck. going back to the old way til someone has a revelation and magically figures out how to get this **** to work.
+1 I tried some of the others' settings and it made the lean worse. I went back to the predicted map. It sucks not being able to mash the throttle cause these settings aren't worked out yet.
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you still get a big lean spike with the normal settings? cause it shouldn't be that bad. I can definitely mash throttle without leaning out with the old settings. They work fairly decent actually. I was just hoping the new map prediction table would be EVEN better.

If you're still leaning out badly using the old method then something is wrong with either your map or settings.

Are you on stock injetors?
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Mine is almost there after getting the predicted MAP table dialed in on the dyno:



Transition time is 500ms and asynch gain is 100%. You can pretty much hammer the thing at any RPM and it behaves. The bit that sucks is transitioning between 0% and any throttle, slow moving traffic is painful.

EDIT: On the Adaptronic site they suggest ticking the DBW tickbox (even without DBW) if you are having light throttle sensitivity problems - http://www.adaptronic.com.au/forum/i...p?topic=1075.0
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you still get a big lean spike with the normal settings? cause it shouldn't be that bad. I can definitely mash throttle without leaning out with the old settings. They work fairly decent actually. I was just hoping the new map prediction table would be EVEN better.

If you're still leaning out badly using the old method then something is wrong with either your map or settings.

Are you on stock injetors?
It's leaning to about 17 afr with these settings. It's way conservative. 600cc injectors and afr are fine at steady rpms.

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