Notices
Aerodynamics Splitters, spoilers, and all the aero advice you can handle.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Aerodynamic Discussion Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 08:34 AM
  #621  
1993ka24det's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 646
Total Cats: 62
From: The Race Track & St Pete FL
Default

So Right now I am at the Nurburgring with nothing going on since it is the off season. Since I am bored and ready to go home to Florida, I will upload some aero pics that I took. They will be from the BMW Museum in Munich, Mercedes and Porsche Museums in Stuttgart Germany.

BMW:





























Mercedes:





Porsche:





Active Aero















Name:  DSCN3455_zpsfa4db3fa.jpg
Views: 1032
Size:  90.8 KB

Name:  DSCN3456_zps9dd8e879.jpg
Views: 1015
Size:  76.0 KB

Name:  DSCN3459_zps4a4572e5.jpg
Views: 1011
Size:  63.2 KB

Name:  DSCN3458_zps05938258.jpg
Views: 989
Size:  64.4 KB

Name:  DSCN3454_zps38de1e39.jpg
Views: 1029
Size:  66.1 KB

Name:  DSCN3453_zpsc526ff65.jpg
Views: 995
Size:  61.5 KB

Name:  DSCN3452_zpsdbf5f7ec.jpg
Views: 1001
Size:  68.0 KB

Name:  DSCN3450_zps88f396e7.jpg
Views: 1051
Size:  68.1 KB

Hope you guys like them, thats as much aero stuff as I can get out of all my pics
Attached Thumbnails Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2916_zpsd58c2fa3.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2917_zps7d4e11bf.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2919_zpsce6c311d.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2921_zpsb4597885.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2924_zpsc77bd209.jpg  

Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2927_zpsd608a0d5.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-746d2b2f-8e3c-49b2-bf6f-770d6df43b60_zpsd7ec9558.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2940_zpsc6f0defd.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2943_zpsbc89c536.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2856_zps6847a4ae.jpg  

Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2857_zpsc6500e8a.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2858_zpsf987eb6d.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2859_zpsba9fd275.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn2861_zps0a304476.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3345_zpsa125eacb.jpg  

Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3346_zpsbd39522e.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3398_zps5306b2d8.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3399_zps638b1b7e.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3404_zps0bf783c1.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3405_zps34f68184.jpg  

Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3406_zpsb702512a.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3407_zps46087f9d.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3408_zpsdf731284.jpg   Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-dscn3414_zpsf06d3846.jpg  

Last edited by 1993ka24det; Dec 17, 2014 at 09:43 AM.
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 08:36 AM
  #622  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

Most auto-x guys you see are running spoilers because thats all the street prepared or DP rules allow. My wing actually makes downforce below 45mph where the spoiler isnt noticable, make way more downforce at any other speed, and it makes less drag at all speeds than an SP spoiler. That corvette spoiler cost him about $70 for the piece of lexan and nearly $100 in fasteners. Yeah you can home depot something with luan and heavy steel **** from home depot for more like $60, but *** it will look like.
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 11:07 AM
  #623  
mx5-kiwi's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 993
Total Cats: 57
From: Auckland, NZ
Default

Fantastic photos!

Porsche GT1 mmmmm, nice!
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 12:05 PM
  #624  
1993ka24det's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 646
Total Cats: 62
From: The Race Track & St Pete FL
Default

Originally Posted by mx5-kiwi
Fantastic photos!

Porsche GT1 mmmmm, nice!
I also took picks of the 918 and 918 prototype, but no aero pics of them so I didn't add them
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 01:25 PM
  #625  
Full_Tilt_Boogie's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 5,155
Total Cats: 409
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

Some of those photos caused me to inadvertently let out some sexual noises in my office. Hope nobody heard.
Old Dec 17, 2014 | 01:52 PM
  #626  
jpreston's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 947
Total Cats: 182
From: KY
Default

Great pics. Thanks for posting.
Old Dec 18, 2014 | 08:55 PM
  #627  
mx5autoxer's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,242
Total Cats: 57
From: Manassas, Virginia
Default




Was ist das?
Attached Thumbnails Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-129451d1418823278-aerodynamic-discussion-thread-dscn2943_zpsbc89c536.jpg  
Old Dec 18, 2014 | 09:07 PM
  #628  
cordycord's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,398
Total Cats: 560
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by mx5autoxer



Was ist das?
Adjustable plane diffuser? Since that car is going for drag reduction over best traction, the vanes probably adjust based on speed to give the best Cd...my guess.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 12:18 AM
  #629  
1993ka24det's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 646
Total Cats: 62
From: The Race Track & St Pete FL
Default

Originally Posted by mx5autoxer



Was ist das?
Originally Posted by cordycord
Adjustable plane diffuser? Since that car is going for drag reduction over best traction, the vanes probably adjust based on speed to give the best Cd...my guess.
Ya that was the best pic I could take since the car was to low and it was up against the wall.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 02:40 AM
  #630  
ThePass's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

That is an airfoil. In the downforce orientation..

Interesting that that whole diffuser assembly is made up of identifiable materials that certainly don't fall into the category of OE BMW level construction.

-Ryan
__________________
Ryan Passey

Last edited by ThePass; Dec 19, 2014 at 02:52 AM.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 07:03 AM
  #631  
1993ka24det's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 646
Total Cats: 62
From: The Race Track & St Pete FL
Default

The diffuser fins were made of rubber instead of metal or composite

Old Dec 19, 2014 | 11:27 AM
  #632  
MX5JER's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 25
Total Cats: -11
Default

Originally Posted by mx5-kiwi
Fantastic photos!

Porsche GT1 mmmmm, nice!
I have to wonder how much that aero design would change if it didn't matter how it looked. I have to assume a design emerges after a knockdown dragout between aerodynamicists and stylists. But yeah, I sure do admire the result.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 11:34 AM
  #633  
Supe's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 624
Total Cats: 81
From: Charlotte, NC
Default

I will probably do the bottom of my diffuser fins in ABS or rubber/conveyor belt material so it won't get destroyed on rough courses.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 12:00 PM
  #634  
mx5autoxer's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,242
Total Cats: 57
From: Manassas, Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by cordycord
Adjustable plane diffuser? Since that car is going for drag reduction over best traction, the vanes probably adjust based on speed to give the best Cd...my guess.
Interesting. So, like an airfoil, this is likely an adjustment for the diffuser that optimises for a certain speed (in this case, like you said, only taking into account low C/D instead of a balance between C/D and downforce). I guess I never realized that it could be tuned like that. Has anyone seen anything like this in a racing class or would that be considered moveable aero (whether or not its tunable on the track or in the pits)?

And btw I looked, but couldn't find any info on this because every bit of information out there is focused on the hydrogen engine instead of the aero.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 12:28 PM
  #635  
Supe's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 624
Total Cats: 81
From: Charlotte, NC
Default

I'm not seeing anything in that photo that implies that the airfoils adjust as anything more than fixed position. However, Andrew Brilliant runs an underbody wing in lieu of a traditional diffuser.




I do wonder if there is a benefit to a "wing" underneath the car, as opposed to the more traditional diffuser, especially on cars that don't have a perfectly flat bottom to feed the wing. I know mounting a wing under the *** of my car would in my case be an easier install than a more traditional diffuser, and the increased ground clearance would be a welcome addition...
Attached Thumbnails Aerodynamic Discussion Thread-brilliant2_duro-oni-e1337729784428.jpeg  
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 01:03 PM
  #636  
mx5-kiwi's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 993
Total Cats: 57
From: Auckland, NZ
Default

Would aid in airflow re-attachment too wouldn't it? (drag reduction...)
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 04:15 PM
  #637  
ThePass's Avatar
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,310
Total Cats: 1,236
From: San Diego
Default

As an addition to the rearward part of a diffuser which is creating nice laminar, smooth flow to the airfoil, I like it. I like it less as an independent element just hanging out under the bumper. An airfoil relies on airspeed. Turbulent air is slow.

-Ryan
__________________
Ryan Passey
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 05:35 PM
  #638  
jpreston's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 947
Total Cats: 182
From: KY
Default

Are you sure that's a wing element? I'm looking at the picture on my phone, but I'm not seeing it. Looks like a typical diffuser to me.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 05:52 PM
  #639  
Supe's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 624
Total Cats: 81
From: Charlotte, NC
Default

Originally Posted by jpreston
Are you sure that's a wing element? I'm looking at the picture on my phone, but I'm not seeing it. Looks like a typical diffuser to me.
Yes, to both photos. On AB's car, it's suspended between the two vertical strakes. Bit dark, but you can still make out the end plates and all.
Old Dec 19, 2014 | 06:09 PM
  #640  
hornetball's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 6,301
Total Cats: 697
From: Granbury, TX
Default

Spoilers create a great deal of drag as a consequence of the downforce. This is bad on track. Much less significant at auto-x speeds.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:06 PM.