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acedeuce802 04-04-2016 05:10 PM

If you upgrade to a 1.8 diff now, you can sell the 1.6 diff to some who had theirs explode for $1-200 bucks. Why just let it grenade?

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320936)
your tranny wont fail
will take much shock loading

the transmission though..........

Yeah, I was talking about the tranny.... tranny can be seen in the earlier pics sitting next to the car. So far has been handling huge loads great, no complaints there. Transmission is a different story.

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by acedeuce802 (Post 1320937)
If you upgrade to a 1.8 diff now, you can sell the 1.6 diff to some who had theirs explode for $1-200 bucks. Why just let it grenade?

No local market in Maine and not worth the effort to ship for that amount of money imo. One of my friends will use it for a project eventually, or some sort of go-kart shenanigans

Girz0r 04-04-2016 05:16 PM

None of your images worked in the first post

So here's one...

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61545325.jpg?

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1320942)
None of your images worked in the first post

So here's one...

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/61545325.jpg?

They did work, but the website must be experiencing server issues. Either way I was making a joke at my girlfriend's expense. Luckily she thought it was funny too.

18psi 04-04-2016 05:23 PM

is your girlfriend the tranny?

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320948)
is your girlfriend the tranny?

That was the idea... Wasn't realizing that the pictures weren't working right now.

shuiend 04-04-2016 05:25 PM

This is a better idea then the manifold you have.

18psi 04-04-2016 05:29 PM

oh yeah the pictures don't work

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320953)
oh yeah the pictures don't work

They were working yesterday for me. How can I fix them? URL instead of upload?

18psi 04-04-2016 05:36 PM

are you on cell phone? that might be the problem. usually it uploads either way. just hit the little picture button and paste in the URL's or upload from pc

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320960)
are you on cell phone? that might be the problem. usually it uploads either way. just hit the little picture button and paste in the URL's or upload from pc

Well Nah I was on my PC. I uploaded them directly, wasn't sure if linking externally would make it so other people could see. I could see them last night. I'll just reupload I guess. -_-

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:41 PM

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18psi 04-04-2016 05:47 PM

suddenly everything makes sense

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320965)
suddenly everything makes sense

I thought you might say that. Basically I would like for the car to be a (relatively quick) v8 troll. Nothing else. It doesn't have to be reliable, look clean etc.

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320965)
suddenly everything makes sense

Oh wait here's one to really piss you off.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1459807123

the_enginear 04-04-2016 05:58 PM

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Those first few are the day after I got the car, lowered it too much etc, it's now at 12.5 height with kirkey seats and no interior, probably how it will stay. girlfriend enjoys doodling so that gives her something to do while I work on the car.

nitrodann 04-04-2016 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by the_enginear (Post 1320884)
Here are some pictures of the welds on the IC piping and the mani. The welds are much more telling now that they have had some heat applied to them. Not great quality, but could be a lot worse. I have no information whatsoever to provide on the turbo, except the thread sizes and that it is a gt2554 replica. The turbo has already developed some blowby (mostly on the exhaust side, some on intake side) after a 5 minute low-rpm drive, so I suspect it'll be getting replaced rather quickly.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1459799860


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Yeah that'll shit itself in a week or 2.

I really doubt you understand the forces and energy that goes into a manifold if you believe that's up to the task.

Dann

shuiend 04-04-2016 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1320980)
Yeah that'll shit itself in a week or 2.

I really doubt you understand the forces and energy that goes into a manifold if you believe that's up to the task.

Dann

I mean he could pussy foot and granny shift around and it may last a bit longer.

For all of us men who only drive flat out, it will crack from know how big our penises are.

18psi 04-04-2016 06:48 PM

are those stud holes stripped out?lol

aidandj 04-04-2016 06:50 PM

I jb welded a crack on one of those. That shit stinks when on fire.

18psi 04-04-2016 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1320986)
I jb welded a crack on one of those. That shit stinks when on fire.

I told you jb welding your crack won't make it smaller

the_enginear 04-04-2016 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320985)
are those stud holes stripped out?lol

They're not threaded to begin with. I made my own studs out of some 5/16 threaded rod with a tack welded nut on the bottom.

aidandj 04-04-2016 07:00 PM

So a bolt....?

the_enginear 04-04-2016 07:05 PM

Well yeah. It's just that there isn't enough space to get a bolt in either turbo or mani side so that's the only way to do it.

the_enginear 04-04-2016 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1320989)
I told you jb welding your crack won't make it smaller

Not sure if they make it anymore, but there's a product by POR called fire seal 2000. Sealed two cracked Honda manifolds and each held up for 3 years after. Small cracks. Good for 2000 degrees F

Efini~FC3S 04-04-2016 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1320909)
Luke, you ever hire EE's?

Not very often, not many ME's either. Since our business is making and selling metals, most of our engineers are Materials Engineers or Metallurgical Engineers.

sonofthehill 04-05-2016 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1320982)
I mean he could pussy foot and granny shift around and it may last a bit longer.

For all of us men who only drive flat out, it will crack from know how big our penises are.

:rofl:

Thanks guys, for making such an entertaining thread!

90 Turbo 04-05-2016 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by the_enginear (Post 1320992)
They're not threaded to begin with. I made my own studs out of some 5/16 threaded rod with a tack welded nut on the bottom.

Did you just use standard all thread rod from home Depot?
The fastener place around hear had grade 8 all thread rod. I would upgrade to that atleaet.
2 feet was like 6 dollars.
I would guess standard all thread would break quick.
It might be a race between the manifold and the welded bolts thou.
U might keep a close eye on ebay and classifieds for better manifold.

the_enginear 04-05-2016 09:05 AM

I can get wholesale from grainger if I just wait for someone to place an order and sneak something in. The stuff I used was grade 8 from grainger.

Girz0r 04-05-2016 06:32 PM

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Inspirational end goal for the tranny?

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deezums 04-05-2016 07:00 PM

Checking in, how'd I miss this thread so faar?

the_enginear 04-05-2016 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1321330)
Inspirational end goal for the tranny?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1459895559

That's cool, I'll show her. I'm not sure how far she's planning to go with it

Forrest95M 04-05-2016 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by deezums (Post 1321340)
Checking in, how'd I miss this thread so faar?

I was curious as to where your presence was on this thread, i figured you'd be all over this.

Girz0r 04-05-2016 07:26 PM

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Hopefully she'll do ALLOFIT

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90 Turbo 04-05-2016 10:26 PM

What kind of cage did you go with?
I like the graphics what did she use for black? Think it will hold up? You could clear coat it.

hi_im_sean 04-06-2016 12:32 AM

Thread did not deliver. I am disappoint.

the_enginear 04-06-2016 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by 90 Turbo (Post 1321405)
What kind of cage did you go with?
I like the graphics what did she use for black? Think it will hold up? You could clear coat it.

I don't have a cage yet. Going to be making one but it's probably the last thing that will happen. It's sharpie and I'll probably clear coat it but it's not a worry right now

the_enginear 04-07-2016 08:53 AM

At this point I am starting with wish I had gotten some sort of kit. Not because of the poor quality but because of missing parts. Having to make 4 trips to the hardware store for 5$ parts is pretty irritating. They didn't give me a drain flange so I welded one up from flat stock and pipe. Used a piece of the oem exhaust header gasket as a gasket. Also made the wg bracket yesterday which took way longer than it should have.

Girz0r 04-07-2016 09:13 AM

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Braineack 04-07-2016 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by the_enginear (Post 1321754)
At this point I am starting with wish I had gotten some sort of kit. Not because of the poor quality but because of missing parts. Having to make 4 trips to the hardware store for 5$ parts is pretty irritating. They didn't give me a drain flange so I welded one up from flat stock and pipe. Used a piece of the oem exhaust header gasket as a gasket. Also made the wg bracket yesterday which took way longer than it should have.

:eggplant:


so what gasket are you using between the exhaust manifold and head now if you cut your oe one up to shit because you bought cheap shit parts?

shuiend 04-07-2016 09:19 AM

Also no individual turbo you buy will come with a oil drain flange. That is something that you always have to go purchase on your own. ATPTurbo is your friend for those things. Part of the allure to buying a kit from a vendor is that you get all the things you actually need. You pay a higher premium for it, but it saves you time and frustration.

18psi 04-07-2016 09:20 AM

just wait til all the parts start breaking too. it will be even more frustrating

shuiend 04-07-2016 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1321767)
just wait til all the parts start breaking too. it will be even more frustrating

SHHHH! It is a learning experience for him and for others to see what works and does not work.

18psi 04-07-2016 09:26 AM

oh, right.
we're all gonna learn from dis

:party:

nitrodann 04-07-2016 09:28 AM

Learn who they give engineering degrees to these days..

sonofthehill 04-07-2016 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1321772)
Learn who they give engineering degrees to these days..

:rofl: :rofl:

Seriously though, this is not good. IMHO and from my experience many academic institutions have started to consider students their bread and butter customers, with a customer is always right mentality.
This is the result, master "enginears" and PhD scientists with no clue. Also demonstrates the difference between someone with a modern engineering degree and a real PE.

shuiend 04-07-2016 10:54 AM

My business card has engineer in my title. I cannot math at all, I don't consider myself an engineer because of that. So I don't call myself an engineer. At least in the IT field it has gotten to the point that every position is some sort of "engineer" and it makes me go crazy.

18psi 04-07-2016 11:04 AM

That's what Dann is getting at - everyone these days is an engineer.

I don't even think the word means anything anymore for the most part.

I mean this guy looks at the cheapest, crappiest, manifold ever made, and goes "in my professional opinion, it looks well made".

We should outsource engineering degrees to china too, I bet their sweat shops are filled with nothing but ENGINEARS

Dustin1824 04-07-2016 12:27 PM

There needs to be better legal protection (and enforcement) of the title "Engineer" in the U.S.

If your not a certified PE, you shouldn't be able to use the title "engineer" at all. It would greatly increase certification rates and eliminate all of these people graduating from ENGINEARing programs (not ABET certified) and calling themselves engineers.

Yes thats just a personal opinion...but an informed one. I work with many people who call themselves an engineer and not know any actual technical knowledge other than second hand knowledge gained from talking to real engineers. The problem isn't a new one, some of these people have "been in the business for 30 years", without a real degree.

Anyways...nice manifold bruh :giggle:

Shortpersonbk 04-07-2016 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Dustin1824 (Post 1321820)
There needs to be better legal protection (and enforcement) of the title "Engineer" in the U.S.

If your not a certified PE, you shouldn't be able to use the title "engineer" at all. It would greatly increase certification rates and eliminate all of these people graduating from ENGINEARing programs (not ABET certified) and calling themselves engineers.

Yes thats just a personal opinion...but an informed one. I work with many people who call themselves an engineer and not know any actual technical knowledge other than second hand knowledge gained from talking to real engineers. The problem isn't a new one, some of these people have "been in the business for 30 years", without a real degree.

Anyways...nice manifold bruh :giggle:

30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.

aidandj 04-07-2016 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Shortpersonbk (Post 1321824)
30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.

+1. Too many people graduate and take a certification test. I would take someone with experience over someone who got certified any day.

HeavyD 04-07-2016 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Shortpersonbk (Post 1321824)
30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1321825)
+1. Too many people graduate and take a certification test. I would take someone with experience over someone who got certified any day.

Totally agree with both of you. I deal with entry level engineers on a daily basis.. Experience speaks for itself with the 30+ year guys. That being said hopefully said engineer learns and adapts.

hi_im_sean 04-07-2016 02:41 PM

I am an Engifar.



What did there, do you see it?

Dustin1824 04-07-2016 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Shortpersonbk (Post 1321824)
30 years experience > Degree
At least those 30 years of experience guys have the real world application down..not the theory with no actual knowledge of applying it.

I never said degree > experience, that would be ridiculous.

Both experience and knowledge are important. I see too many highly experienced people making the same mistakes over and over again.

You would take the guy who has been doing the wrong thing for 30 years over the person with a couple years experience who actually knows how to properly engineer things? Hopefully not...

When you see a group of "highly-experienced" individuals make the same $1M+ DOLLAR mistakes 3 times in a matter of a couple years, your would know what I'm talking about. When their components were tested, they have failed the same way over and over again.

18psi 04-07-2016 02:56 PM

we are a highly trained group of engitrollineers with years of experience in the field

the_enginear 04-07-2016 02:59 PM

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Hey guys, I just want to clarify that I'm not a PE and don't claim or plan to be one. The program I attended is ABET certified though. You need to realize that this whole thread is me trolling, while also trying to build a half assed car for cheap. I don't have alot of experience in the field as I'm recently graduated and I don't claim to be experienced. I'm sorry if this thread is actually offending you. This thread should not be used to reflect on the knowledge of engineers or people working in industry. To further your frustration, I have a pic of some welds that look extremely high quality in my professional opinion. They were done with an $80 harbor freight welder that I picked up.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1460055549<br >

aidandj 04-07-2016 03:00 PM

Not bad for a hf welder.

18psi 04-07-2016 03:00 PM

:D I like this guy

just engineer an open downpipe and hang the oxygen sensor where the connector now hangs, you'll be fine

Savington 04-07-2016 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by Dustin1824 (Post 1321880)

You would take the guy who has been doing the wrong thing for 30 years over the person with a couple years experience who actually knows how to properly engineer things? Hopefully not...

Nobody pays someone to do the wrong thing for 30 years. If someone has been doing a job 30 years, they're probably pretty good at it. Few things frustrate me more than a green engineer with no real-world experience who thinks that their degree gives them carte blanche to tell experienced veterans how their jobs should be done.


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