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PBGuts 12-20-2017 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1457894)
Paul's car was on gas IIRC. It is also a freak of nature, very few people have even come close to those numbers on a 2560R.

Some people just have all the luck. The holidays may put a bit of a damper on the progress but I am so excited to see what I can get out of this 2560

sshamrockk 12-20-2017 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1457894)
Paul's car was on gas IIRC. It is also a freak of nature, very few people have even come close to those numbers on a 2560R.

Inb4 hate for saying this, but it is a dyno jet, which we all know reads a bit high, but even on a Mustang dyno that's about 280 which is still impressive.

Braineack 12-20-2017 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1457894)
Paul's car was on gas IIRC. It is also a freak of nature, very few people have even come close to those numbers on a 2560R.

we repeated it on Ed's 97. same absurdflow manifold, begi IM, and TB. stock motor. 93 pump. he was running like 14-15psi and made 270rwhp on the dynojet. nearly identical plot -- ill have to look for it.

Dynojets are consistent. and we had run like 20-30 different miatas on the same dyno -- so it wasn't a fluke/fake number.

I think Tim's manifold was just a great pairing to that turbo -- the BEGI IM helped a butt ton too.

HeavyD 12-20-2017 03:01 PM

Sub'd, great start, a GT2560 to start and upgraded rods are in my foreseeable future.

PBGuts 12-20-2017 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1457900)
we repeated it on Ed's 97. same absurdflow manifold, begi IM, and TB. stock motor. 93 pump. he was running like 14-15psi and made 270rwhp on the dynojet. nearly identical plot -- ill have to look for it.

Dynojets are consistent. and we had run like 20-30 different miatas on the same dyno -- so it wasn't a fluke/fake number.

I think Tim's manifold was just a great pairing to that turbo -- the BEGI IM helped a butt ton too.

when I upgrade the turbo and turbo Mani I'm also going to have Josh Briggs fan me up an intake mani....unless I can find a flat top for a decent price before then.

PBGuts 12-20-2017 03:15 PM

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...efa11382da.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...96847c505e.jpgNot my engine but this is the rig he fabs up with a mustang TB. Seems solid!

shuiend 12-20-2017 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by PBGuts (Post 1457918)
when I upgrade the turbo and turbo Mani I'm also going to have Josh Briggs fan me up an intake mani....unless I can find a flat top for a decent price before then.


Just be aware that a custom intake manifold will most likely be 2x the cost of the flat top, and no guarantee it will actually be better.

Braineack 12-20-2017 03:22 PM

just make sure it has like ~9" runners.

Midtenn 12-20-2017 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1457922)
just make sure it has like ~9" runners.

I was about to say, nice fab work, but no engineering. Runners are way to short for a BP.

Savington 12-20-2017 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by sshamrockk (Post 1457899)
Inb4 hate for saying this, but it is a dyno jet, which we all know reads a bit high, but even on a Mustang dyno that's about 280 which is still impressive.

Speak for yourself, please. Dynojets are inherently accurate when compared to pretty much every other dyno. They measure power based on known constants and physics, and calculate torque using an RPM pickup. Virtually every other style of dyno uses a calibrated load cell to measure torque and calculates horsepower based on wheel speed and gear ratio and/or RPM pickup, and there is inherent error in that calibrated load cell. Compare two Mustangs or two Dynapacks across the country and they can read wildly differently. Compare two Dynojets on an SAE correction and they are going to be the same within 2% every time (if the weather station is set up right).

Braineack 12-21-2017 08:25 AM

lol. you got a neg cat for speaking the truth.

18psi 12-21-2017 10:09 AM

I always prefer dynojets when power bragging for all the reasons Spendington listed.

sshamrockk 12-21-2017 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1457995)
lol. you got a neg cat for speaking the truth.

I don't expect anything less now-a-days.

ridethecliche 12-21-2017 04:54 PM

/pedant hat
Accuracy and precision (ie reliability) aren't the same thing.
/end pendant hat

Savington 12-21-2017 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1457995)
lol. you got a neg cat for speaking the truth.

Won't be the last time

Savington 12-21-2017 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1458139)
/pedant hat
Accuracy and precision (ie reliability) aren't the same thing.
/end pendant hat

Fair enough. Dynojets are accurate. There are other dynos which are more precise. They each have their place, and I use one or the other depending on what my goals are. What annoys me is when people who don't understand physics say that Dynojets "read high". No, they don't. They read accurately. They measure power directly by seeing how long it takes to accelerate a drum of a known mass and size from one speed to another, higher, speed. Accelerating the drum is doing work, the time it takes to do that work is power. Do a little unit conversion and you have horsepower.

PBGuts 12-21-2017 10:56 PM

Just purchased these. I imagine they will take forever to arrive but that should give me some time to practice my fabricating skills on making some seat rails.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8e89dddf07.png
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d4462979dd.jpg

Braineack 12-22-2017 08:24 AM

those will look good!

ridethecliche 12-22-2017 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1458151)
Fair enough. Dynojets are accurate. There are other dynos which are more precise. They each have their place, and I use one or the other depending on what my goals are. What annoys me is when people who don't understand physics say that Dynojets "read high". No, they don't. They read accurately. They measure power directly by seeing how long it takes to accelerate a drum of a known mass and size from one speed to another, higher, speed. Accelerating the drum is doing work, the time it takes to do that work is power. Do a little unit conversion and you have horsepower.

Yup. Wasn't criticizing your take on the matter. I just think folks use the terms interchangeably which is whatever in colloquial vernacular but a bit odd when talking about anything remotely technical.

shuiend 12-22-2017 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by PBGuts (Post 1458196)
Just purchased these. I imagine they will take forever to arrive but that should give me some time to practice my fabricating skills on making some seat rails.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...8e89dddf07.png
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d4462979dd.jpg

Which momo seat is that and did you buy 2? If not I might have an older momo-start for sale soon for super cheap. I am hoping to upgrade from my momo seats to something a little better.


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