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Old 04-02-2013, 01:04 PM   #961
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I will post-up a sub-142whp dyno on Friday after the Dynojet adjustment.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:12 PM   #962
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post up your vvt map
did you plagarize or generate?
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:55 PM   #963
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Generated. I wish I could get a gigantor table for better resolution. If we need the resolution anywhere, it's with VVT more than anything.
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post up your vvt map
did you plagarize or generate?
I was gonna plagiarize yours til I saw that it doesn't trigger anything til 2500. I know I saw your explanation for that in Bryces thread but it still didn't make sense to me. I want as much torque and response as soon as possible, and see no reason why you can't advance at least 500rpm sooner. (*edit: in that thread you said you "couldn't really feel any significant difference on the butt dyno with that vs advancing earlier)

Apparently hustler agree's with my logic.

I know you're smarter than us so lay down the knowledge bro. I wanna hear it.

I know on many other cars (subaru avcs, mitsu mivec, etc) everyone triggers from basically 1500-2000 and up
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I will post-up a sub-142whp dyno on Friday after the Dynojet adjustment.
Before or after the 4.2 dyno correction?
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:47 PM   #966
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I was gonna plagiarize yours til I saw that it doesn't trigger anything til 2500. I know I saw your explanation for that in Bryces thread but it still didn't make sense to me. I want as much torque and response as soon as possible, and see no reason why you can't advance at least 500rpm sooner. (*edit: in that thread you said you "couldn't really feel any significant difference on the butt dyno with that vs advancing earlier)

Apparently hustler agree's with my logic.

I know you're smarter than us so lay down the knowledge bro. I wanna hear it.

I know on many other cars (subaru avcs, mitsu mivec, etc) everyone triggers from basically 1500-2000 and up
My dyno started at 2500 and all the lines were all overlapping there suggesting no gain or loss at any value. I had no further data to go on so I left it retarded. derp.

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Old 04-02-2013, 06:49 PM   #967
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Generated. I wish I could get a gigantor table for better resolution. If we need the resolution anywhere, it's with VVT more than anything.
I think I disagree.

If you need something related to VVT it's a way to change the enrichment based on what the cam is doing.

we have MAP based which is OK and TPS based which is worthless with respect to VVT, but what if the rate of VE change is very fast?
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My dyno started at 2500 and all the lines were all overlapping there suggesting no gain or loss at any value. I had no further data to go on so I left it retarded. derp.

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so basically you didn't even test anything before 2500 to even know if it would work or not

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Generated. I wish I could get a gigantor table for better resolution. If we need the resolution anywhere, it's with VVT more than anything.
My adaptronic allows a cell map of every 250rpm up to i think 7.25k or every 300rpm up to 9k...30 cells resolution total. And 16 cells for map pressure which puts you at every 6kpa if u're only going up to 100kpa. Enough resolution to make your ***** sore. Thats 480 cells.. have fun tunning that.
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with next to no real need for it actually.
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I ran my car at 250 cell map resolution for a while, the main noticeable difference was at idle. It idled amazingly but was a pain in the *** to tune which is why i went to 500 again. (Wasnt me that gave u the -1 btw)
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Can adaptronic do non linear scales? IE can you just give it 250rpm resolution in the area round idle by 500 everywhere else?
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:56 AM   #974
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My dyno started at 2500 and all the lines were all overlapping there suggesting no gain or loss at any value. I had no further data to go on so I left it retarded. derp.

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My goal was to eliminate bucking at that RPM range. I succeeded.

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I think I disagree.

If you need something related to VVT it's a way to change the enrichment based on what the cam is doing.

we have MAP based which is OK and TPS based which is worthless with respect to VVT, but what if the rate of VE change is very fast?
I'm talking about absolute power above 5000rpm. I did not have enough resolution to determine I was on the limit, all the time, I needed more break points. I think of "enrichment" as fuel flow, not air flow since I don't have a pump injecting air. Well, I had one at one time but in this era of "shared sacrifice" I cannot haz turbo.
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so basically you didn't even test anything before 2500 to even know if it would work or not

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:04 AM   #975
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Before or after the 4.2 dyno correction?
The dynojet number.
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Can adaptronic do non linear scales? IE can you just give it 250rpm resolution in the area round idle by 500 everywhere else?
Sadly no, i wish you could set high resolution at idle and 500 rpm everywhere else but nope, either 250 everywhere or 300 everywhere or 500 everywhere. And it also has 200rpm for low revving motors.

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The dynojet number.
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My goal was to eliminate bucking at that RPM range. I succeeded.


I'm talking about absolute power above 5000rpm. I did not have enough resolution to determine I was on the limit, all the time, I needed more break points. I think of "enrichment" as fuel flow, not air flow since I don't have a pump injecting air. Well, I had one at one time but in this era of "shared sacrifice" I cannot haz turbo.
your motor is the air pump.... you're changing how the air gets in when you change the cam timing. changing airflow directly affects AFR, doesn't it?

Anyway, I was having big constant issues with advancing the cam too fast and getting a lean spike because of it.

EAE might help but I doubt it because MAP is read before the valves.
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your motor is the air pump.... you're changing how the air gets in when you change the cam timing. changing airflow directly affects AFR, doesn't it?

Anyway, I was having big constant issues with advancing the cam too fast and getting a lean spike because of it.

EAE might help but I doubt it because MAP is read before the valves.
We're talking about opposite ends of the RPM spectrum at this point.
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Car is now balanced but I failed to do the alignment properly. I got three wheels done just fine but the left rear could not get any tow-in with the camber numbers.
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I have a 138whp dyno for you guys in the next couple days. I I have to go back because we didn't have ASE correction on, some other formula so I spent an hour adjusting to a number that was reading higher than the SAE number. God damnit.

BTW, max power for my car is 148whp. Not bad for an OEM VVT car with a conservative, 91-octane tune.
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