My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment. - Page 4 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Build Threads Building a motor? Post the progress here.

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-26-2014, 11:51 AM   #61
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,196
Total Cats: 2,584
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post







spit coffee
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 12:17 PM   #62
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
Keith... i have a stupid question:

What sort of sorcery are you doing with your heater lines, and why? I have a Begi homebrew re-route to do, with the Escalade hose or whatever the hell, and i don't remember seeing anything about that "T" in the write ups i was looking at.
The T is not part of the standard coolant re-route, it is used for the BEGi turbo kit.

The BEGi turbo kit eliminates the heater line that goes behind the exhaust manifold, and replaces the lower radiator hose mounting point on the mixing manifold. If you want to keep your heater functional you run a line from the firewall to a T fitting in your new lower radiator hose.

It is a real pain in the ***. I think I need a couple feet more line to make it more "neat and tidy" but it is functional for now.

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 12:19 PM   #63
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twodoor View Post
The T is not part of the coolant re-route, it is used for the BEGi turbo kit.

The BEGi turbo kit eliminates the heater line that goes behind the exhaust manifold, and replaces the lower radiator hose mounting point on the mixing manifold. If you want to keep your heater functional you run a line from the firewall to a T fitting in your new lower radiator hose.

It is a real pain in the ***. I think I need a couple feet more line to make it more "neat and tidy" but it is functional for now.

Keith
Is this just an S6 thing? Our car already has a Begi kit and that stupid "Racer Reroute" that i need to remove and swap to a real re-route.
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 12:25 PM   #64
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,196
Total Cats: 2,584
Default

pretty sure they do that on their s4 kits as well. I think the sidemount setups retain the original mixing manifold.

I don't like it either because now you got a bunch of rubber hose dangling behind, under, in front of your turbo hot parts and unless you secure the heck out of it will be bouncing around/rubbing on a bunch of stuff.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 12:27 PM   #65
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Cool, thanks!
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 01:08 PM   #66
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
Is this just an S6 thing? Our car already has a Begi kit and that stupid "Racer Reroute" that i need to remove and swap to a real re-route.
Didn't the "racer re-route" have you do something odd with the heater core lines? The instructions from BEGi are so jacked up it isn't even funny. I thought the "racer re-route" attached the heater return line to the upper radiator hose. If that is the case, and you are going to a "real" re-route you take that fitting out of the upper radiator hose and place it in the lower radiator hose and put the heater core line there.

I think if you have a BEGi kit, you should post about it in the "Do it yourself" forums rather than the "Prefab turbo kit" forum!

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 03:12 PM   #67
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twodoor View Post
Didn't the "racer re-route" have you do something odd with the heater core lines? The instructions from BEGi are so jacked up it isn't even funny. I thought the "racer re-route" attached the heater return line to the upper radiator hose. If that is the case, and you are going to a "real" re-route you take that fitting out of the upper radiator hose and place it in the lower radiator hose and put the heater core line there.

I think if you have a BEGi kit, you should post about it in the "Do it yourself" forums rather than the "Prefab turbo kit" forum!

Keith
Yep, it does heater return to upper radiator hose.

So... i'm just moving this damn thing in addition to adding the spacer/housing crap on the back?

Sounds awful.
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 05:15 PM   #68
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
Yep, it does heater return to upper radiator hose.

So... i'm just moving this damn thing in addition to adding the spacer/housing crap on the back?

Sounds awful.
It was a royal pain in the ***. That rear thermostat housing is a ************ to get on with the engine in the car. I have to baby my lower back (herniated disk) and bending over trying to get the bolts started was a nightmare... tightening them was pretty sucky too.

Had to buy tie wire to attach heat wrap to the heater hoses, and I drilled the holes to mount the ignition heat sink to the firewall. I am not going to bother with pics of that though.

Next post will be pics of the contents of the boxes I just received

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 10:52 PM   #69
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Here are the box content pictures!

First picture is my old 01+ manifold I removed, with it's EGR tube, and brand new studs that arrived today.



Next is my new air / oil separator.



And finally, my brandy new Xida coilovers!!!



Now on to the installation progress.

God damn am I frustrated with BEGi right now. The adaptor for the oil feed line that is supposed to allow use of the oil feed along with the stock pressure sender. My adaptor is not correctly threaded, thus useless. So, without this ******* adaptor I am doing direct oil feed with no oil pressure sender.



Holy **** is it scary to drill a hole in your oil pan! Especially when the hole location instructions specify '2.3" down from the oil pan flange, and 1.5" back from a strait edge held to the front 2" down from the oil pan flange'.
Anyone here have a ruler that reads decimals? Closest I could figure was 2 and 5/16. I hope I have the damn thing in the right spot!



I don't know, do you think I have enough mineral spirits based solvent?



This concludes my current update. I am posting this while letting the mineral spirits drain from my oil pan. I ended up using two quarts instead of the one quart specified in the instructions, but better safe than sorry right?

Keith
Attached Thumbnails
My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-01-header-egr-new-studs.jpg   My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-oil-separator.jpg   My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-xida-coilovers.jpg   My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-oil-supply.jpg   My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-oil-pan-drilled-ready.jpg  

My 99's Journey from the dark side to enlightenment.-mineral-spirits.jpg  
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2014, 11:10 PM   #70
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,196
Total Cats: 2,584
Default

Just curious, but why drill so close to the front, where the ac pump is totally in the way?

I was always kinda curious why people did that, as opposed to behind the pump but in front of the engine mount, and directly under the turbo for straightest drain path?
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 12:11 AM   #71
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
Just curious, but why drill so close to the front, where the ac pump is totally in the way?

I was always kinda curious why people did that, as opposed to behind the pump but in front of the engine mount, and directly under the turbo for straightest drain path?
Because I am doing it with the engine inside the car. It is hard to get a drill in there far enough to put the drain where I did. No way in hell you could get it further back without pulling the engine.

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 10:37 AM   #72
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Is Begi going to do anything about that adapter?
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 12:45 PM   #73
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
Is Begi going to do anything about that adapter?
Talked to Corky this morning. He said that adaptor now goes on the oil / water distribution block at the front of the engine, and you have to lengthen the oil pressure sender wires to route the oil pressure sender over there. I wasn't provided wire or butt connectors to re-route the sensor, but that isn't a big deal... I have spare wire and butt connectors.

The problem is with the horrible instructions. Out of date, and not clear what the **** they are talking about.

For example, I am now putting the turbo in... it says to attach the oil drain line, oil supply line, and the water line (singular, not plural) to the turbo. It even specifies what fitting to put "the" water line on. The water lines, and oil supply are all the same diameter but different lengths... with no specification of what line goes where... and there are two water lines not one (obviously). In the bag attached to these three lines there are 6 swivel connection fittings. No mention is made of using these fittings, but since there are 6 fittings and 3 hoses I am assuming I need one at each end of each hose.

So far with the exception of the lower radiator hose connection on the mixing manifold, workmanship on the parts has been excellent... but the instructions have caused hours in delays, trying to puzzle out what the **** they are talking about, or doing something wrong and having to re-do it.

Corky said they are re-writing all their instructions (yeah right) so I made a few suggestions. Make a cardboard template you put up against the oil pan with a hole where the center of the oil drain line fitting goes, so you can mark the spot with a sharpie. Also I said that in the instructions they need to say "take part x from bag #y" when they are talking about parts. As they are now, you have to look through a pile of bags and say "I think they mean this part"... and half the time you are wrong.

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 12:48 PM   #74
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

So basically... possibly just as "easy" to buy a manifold of your choosing, turbo of your choosing, downpipe of your choosing, and figure out the rest yourself?

Because you're doing that anyways?
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 02:11 PM   #75
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by concealer404 View Post
So basically... possibly just as "easy" to buy a manifold of your choosing, turbo of your choosing, downpipe of your choosing, and figure out the rest yourself?

Because you're doing that anyways?
Pretty much. Like I said earlier, post about it in "DIY Turbo discussion" rather than in "prefabbed turbo kits".

They do great phone support though when you have to ask... but my shop is an all steel building so I can't talk to them while actually looking at what ever I have questions on.

Keith

Last edited by Twodoor; 08-27-2014 at 02:24 PM.
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 05:05 PM   #76
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Meridian, Mississippi
Posts: 637
Total Cats: 42
Default

God Damn it!

******* turbo was supposed to have the compressor housing clocked so it would fit... but it isn't. Now I have to test fit it, remove it, check clearances, test fit it, check it again. Then lock everything down as a last test fit... then take it all back apart and add the oil drain, oil feed, and water lines.

At least it has the kind of compressor housing that you loosen 8 bolts and it can rotate rather than having to remove that damn snap ring. I don't know exactly how this works, it does have the snap ring on that side as well... but the housing does rotate when you loosed the 8 bolts.

sigh

Keith
Twodoor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 05:10 PM   #77
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Good thing they did that for you, right?
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 06:03 PM   #78
Elite Member
 
DNMakinson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seneca, SC
Posts: 2,704
Total Cats: 269
Default

Well, at least when he's finished, the compressor housing won't fall off.

Right, mlev?
DNMakinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 06:07 PM   #79
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
concealer404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,465
Total Cats: 783
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DNMakinson View Post
Well, at least when he's finished, the compressor housing won't fall off.

Right, mlev?


Oooooo good point!

This is a blessing, Keith!
concealer404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2014, 07:08 PM   #80
Murderator
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,196
Total Cats: 2,584
Default

double check that snap ring anyway. trust me on this
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Project Gemini - Turbo Civic on the Cheap Full_Tilt_Boogie Build Threads 59 Yesterday 09:00 PM
Garrett Turbo, 1.8 Oil Pan, & Misc. Stuff nbdooey Miata parts for sale/trade 9 08-30-2017 10:50 PM
Buzzing from driver side of engine bay? (MS3 install) nick470 MEGAsquirt 7 06-16-2017 02:53 PM
SimExperience fiberglass race seat in Chicago area chris101 Miata parts for sale/trade 2 10-09-2015 10:08 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:08 PM.