Haha please use a lathe to turn down the vents, so much overkill but would still be awesome.

Did you ever get your VEI gauges installed the stock locations? I just ordered a Water/Oil temp gauge and plan to put it where the water temp gauge went.

Gesso is truly a god among men, I cannot thank him enough. A few hours of slave labor wrenching on the exocet was totally worth it :bigtu:

That's actually exactly what I want. How you do dis? I don't understand how those push that far into the dash.

+1. I thought about doing this with my drill press but I could not figure out how to hold the vent.

Uamrite!

I assume he uses it when building robots destined for world domination in his secret volcano lair. We have also bent them up to use as hangers to hold brake calipers while replacing pads/rotors, and used them to suspend objects while rattlecanning them.

No kidding, 90% of that is true. :brain:

Thanks! I was happy with it until I saw Ferdi's pics. :laugh: they really do make a difference with the air output.

I think a bit of poo may have just come out. Man, that's awesome.

I'll pester you about it later, but I REALLY DO want a set of your heatshields and airbox if you still have the code to cut them. I'd also like to sneak a peak at your tune, seeing as we have almost exactly the same everything at this point.

I don't understand this... the body on the vent is like 4~5mm larger in diameter. The only way I can think to get it that far into the dash is to turn it down.

Its not overkill if it works and looks good ;)

I did not. They are currently installed in the center console gauge face thing because I wanted to get the electrical all sorted out before I committed. At this point, pulling the gauges apart is going to be ...quite a task. the bodies are actually turned on a lathe out of heavy aluminum and then held together by tiny roll pins. I have a set of punches I use for building AR15's but I don't have one small enough for these particular pins. AND I would have to drive the pins INTO the bodies of the gauges, and that means INTO the electronics. These things are also a bitch to "program" with the one button. I'm also not happy the coolant temp sender is dildos out of the box so I must buy another one, and the wideband keeps loosing its setting and displaying voltage rather than AFR.

Are they great gauges? Yes. Would I buy them again? Maybe. Would I recommend them? Not sure. I need to play with them a bit more, that's for sure.

Tell me more about them, I just purchased Oil/Water temp. What about coolant temp sensor? I might just ghetto rig it into the gauge cluster without taking it apart. I hope to program once and set and forget. My thread where I'm talking about them.

Yep, I used a lathe :).

--Ferdi

I stand corrected.

I need more lathe in my life.

Do they still rotate at all once turned down like that?

Gordon, I can turn them down if you want. Flat rate, give 'em to Geoff, come up here, whatever works.

Starting to think about buying a lathe, using the work one is becoming an annoyance.

Yup, they do.

--Ferdi

Awesome, that's what I'm looking for in the end. Not that I suspect they would be rotated frequently, but the point of making (most) updates/upgrades is to add features, rather than remove them.

Win! Thanks Pat, we'll figure something out. I appreciate the offer and shall certainly take you up on that one :bigtu:

I'll be honest, if I had room I'd already own a small lathe and mill. Or one of those cheap turning center combo dealios. But I don't so I don't. /shrug

Techshop?

--Ian

Will they rotate when OD reduced and fully inserted this way?

Look great!

Yes, as already answered above :).

Was working in the garage and shot a quick video. They obviously don't rotate as easily as the stock eyeballs, but easily enough. Though I haven't really needed to adjust them ever. Rotated at ~45° the flaps allow the airflow to be adjusted to about anywhere on your body without needing to be rotated.



--Ferdi

yes,
yes,
Need is a very strong word. It was going to be thrown out as it wasn't stored per the technical orders and I figured it would be good wire for hanging parts for painting. And for occasional welding it would seem :)

Dammit man, have you opened your presents yet!?

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Well, MOSTLY unassuming. This thing is seriously more heavy that it should be. There is something hard and cylindrical in there, but the dimensions are somewhat disturbing.

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Oh my! That was completely unexpected! Bells has zero west coast distribution and to say I've been trying to get a hold of some Two Hearted for quite some time is an understatement. Intentional thumbs up! :bigtu:

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Fancy dickstraws go in the silverware drawer in the kitchen, lets see who finds them first. :giggle: Waht's with the paper? A note of some sort?

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Perfectly executed, props good sir! :party:

:laugh:

more props for Monk

Nice! +1 :bigtu:

I'm stalking all of you. The straws glow in the dark.

Even more pops . . . I mean props!

Mooooonnnkkkk where's miiiiiiine?

Be careful what you wish for.




But seriously, I don't know. I doubt it got seized as it was one of the tamer ones.

Head *might* be done and shipped this week. I am excite!

I ordered up the stupid expensive 3.63 sender this weekend so if all goes well, I might be doing a diff swap this weekend. It looks like I probably could have just purchased the little gear head thing, but I couldn't find anyone to take the order. Fuckit, I just want this done.

I'm about 80% sure the Precision 600 is actually WIDER than the frame rails on the car, and I'm not willing to do what 99mx5 did to make it fit. I need this thing set back far enough that its not immediately visible and identifiable as an intercooler, so the search for an intercooler continues.

High on my list right now is the Treadstone TR8C.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1425340132
The core is 7.8" X 22" X 3.5" and OAL is 28". Unfortunately the inlet/outlets are 3" which are technically MORE of a PITA than the 2.75" I/O on the Precision, but it is what it is. The 28" will allow me to actually get it to fit, and that's what counts. The Treadstone TR8 and TR8L are also options, but I don't like the crazy offset of the I/O and there is a much larger chance its going to interfere with with radiator mounts. I could build my own radiator mounts, but that seems excessive. If I do end up taking that path, the TR8 and TR8L are both 2.5" I/O so there is a chance I can use the FM IC to TB hose, but that's not something that will be make or break for me personally.

I've got the nose ripped off the car at the moment and this week I'll be installing the TSE radiator and making more measurements. By the end of the week I hope to have made a decision about the IC.

Why was your sender so expensive? I think I paid about $45 total when I bought all the parts for the sender separately.

Why you not use the black tube&fin intercooler I link to in my thread that fits into the air guide?

I've got part numbers, but the only online vendors I could find that list them as available have terrible customer service. They either don't return emails/phone calls or in the case of Jim Ellis, they won't reset my account password.

Can you see the tanks inside the guide? The tacotaco one, right? I'll look again.

The other option is to buy a core (treadstone, vibrant, garrett, bell, etc) fab my own end caps and have Gesso tig it together for me. What could possibly go wrong!

If you've got FM pipes, why not just use an FM intercooler and paint it if you want it to not look shiny? Off the shelf, order, bolt in, get on with life. :)

--Ian

I'm like Vlad, I *had* the FM plumbing, but I sold it. Ironically enough, TO Vlad. :hahano: Not sure if I want to buy it again or not. IIRC the FM intercooler itself is also debilitatingly expensive. :sad2:

Edit: Yeah, $515 for an IC is lolnope http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?...umber=22-35030

https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...tercool-83180/ :) :)

The intercooler and pipes are $770, but IIRC the pipes are almost half of that. If you don't already have the pipes then it's probably not going to save that much work.

--Ian

Why not just go fab9 intercooler for the 2.5" end caps and easy mounting solution if you are going to go through the effort of tigging new end caps onto the treadstone one and fabbing mounts.

Just seems like an easy solution to me...Not just due to me liking Fab9 products either, just...easy mode.

Bloody peasant intercooler :rofl:

But they DO sell a 7" tall model :party:

Jeff, believe it or not I don't like the Fab9 intercooler options. The "Stage1" is too short and there are absolutely zero pictures of the "Stage2" intercooler installed on an NB that show me anything I want to see. It looks like its too big and I have no idea what the clearances look like. I also don't like where it mounts. I also don't like anything sold as a "Stage" :dunno:

Quite honestly, that Godspeed TypeM IC that I sold with my Garrett stuff was the best fitting intercooler I've ever seen. I'm sure its just the same as the Taco/CXracing/DNA/eBay intercoolers everyone else is using. It certainly looked exactly like the one deezums has pictures of in his thread.

At this point I'm concerned about running an eBay IC at potentially 300hp and hoping it does its job at ThunderHill in 90°+ ambient weather. Intercooler is something I'd like to ahve oversized so I never have to worry about IAT regardless of ambient conditions. Fab/Vibrant/Bell/Garrett and Treadstone all seem to have decent reputations, Treadstone just happens to be the cheapest one in a size I think I can make work without too much effort.

I think you worry too much and should get *something* rolling and see if IAT temps are a problem or not. Of the things on your car to replace intercooler is not terribly difficult. For $72 shipped you should just call it a rock guard for the radiator.

Yes, this. :bang:

precision or bell is what I'd use

precision cause they ball out with turbulator count and placement
bell because they use internal baffles

as I've already discussed with you, the treadstone is also not looking too bad, but no personal exp.

the godspeed M I got from you was basically just like the other ebay stuff - not bad at all, but not what you're looking for in your balleur build.

I dunno about the 600 vibrant, but I know the 300 the turbulator count and placement is just like the above mentioned godspeed aka ebay, the big thing it has over the others is that it's built like a tank, super sturdy and solid.

I wouldn't worry about the FM piping. Cut and tig would be really easy with gesso's skill.

If i were being baller like you I would find the biggest core you can shove into your front, and then work around it. 2.5" piping would probably be preferred though.

Also $61...sixty one dollars.

I think I spaced mine down about an inch and a half. So a 7" would fit perfect. Now I want to upgrade haha.

he's shooting for 300whp on pump on a track car
three hundred, on camel piss, on a track car

three hundred

Actually with a 3"-2.5" silicone reducer I bet the treadstone wouldn't even be that hard to deal with.

treadstone is not looking bad at all.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1425354776

vs precision
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1425354851

vs egay tube fin failaidz
[IMG]https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1425354989[/IMG]

vs mishiFAILgay
[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...himotocore.jpg[/IMG]

vs godspeed type-Mediocre
http://kinzperformance.com/online/im...436%5B1%5D.jpg

Problem? I was at 300 on 91 with no issues...

ca91 is even worse than what you run iirc
also you haven't tracked your car extensively (that I know of)

just my opinion, but I would use the most efficient heat exchanger if I was him, and the ebay cores are not gonna cut it. the "properly" finned one that we all discovered recently is great, and I love mine, but it's too small for G, and the bigger ones are all fail aids typical ebay stuff.

We are *supposedly* getting E85 this year so hopefully I won't have to do a meth setup.

I think ducting goes a long way with steady AITs as well seeing as I've had no issues thus far with heat soak.

Ducting is presumed.
But the discussion is about the best heat exchanger, or a really good one.
That's what G's build is about. Not something that "will work", but something that will work great and ball hard, and get all the boxers to drop

teehee

Right. G needs this guy's intercooler


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1425357710

I like welding things...

Buy the best/biggest core you think you can shoehorn in there, and then use your resources/friends to make it work with your piping.

This entire topic is being over discussed and most of you are shooting from the hip with an incomplete understanding of the topic. Posting pictures of fin design doesn't mean anything when you don't know what you're looking for. I legitimately don't mean to offend anyone but this horse is being beaten to death by people with small sticks.

Fin density is only part of it and YES you can have too many fins per inch.. Let's take a look at a company who's invested in conducting actual research and what changes they made to a product as a result of it.

ETS discovered that it was better to add more charge rows over their previous cores with a looser internal fin pack. Their increased FPI setup required more boost (creating more intake heat) to create the same power.

To theorize is an excellent start, but that doesn't make a very dense core a good choice.

I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but I promise you I've spent close to a month in the past year alone reading about not only the theory behind heat exchangers but the testing too.

I agree though: there is balance you want to achieve between flow and heat exchange efficiency.

I'll dig around for some testing logs I've done just a few months ago with 2 different intercoolers on the same car. 1 a process west with dense fin core adn the other a Fast Motorsports with ebay style placement and fin count.

They are otherwise identical, because FMS actually knocked off Process West completely. Down to the last detail. So the only real difference is the actual turbulator count and density and placement.

I think he's referring to this: https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...rcooler-83205/

Ahh I see. No worries either way, me and Bryan are cool so no harm.

I just didn't want him to think I was throwing out random stuff without any knowledge on the topic. (even though my "knowledge" isn't that great, I'll admit, I did do my homework like a good boy :giggle: and some testing of my own)

PS: I'll have to PM those logs cause I just realized I posted the names of the companies in question and I don't want to get into any drama with them either LOL

PPS: sorry if off topic, G. Don't kill me :love:

I did my best to address this as a discussion, not an individual, I think the point was still understood though. I almost sent you a text to tell you that your stick is just fine to me. :makeout:

Regardless, even after a decision is made about internal fin design EXTERNAL design can be considered, especially when tracking the car is a factor. Garrett cores for instance have a bad reputation in the DSM community for blocking flow to the radiator and causing overheating. My point is, the topic can go on forever at this rate - when the fact of the matter is he will likely not have a problem with the top 10 options out there.

Completely agreed
On both counts actually. That's the downside of the garrett core: it aint built to take much abuse from rocks/etc.
The vibrant on the other hand, to me seemed like it could take a hit from a hammer and not even dent. Bell was similarly strong.

Is no worries. Like I said, I was going to post it to my thread and see if I could cause drama ;)

Its not that I'm in love with that godspeed because its the bestest best intercooler ever, it just fit really really well with what I wanted to do back when I had the rotrex and the small Garrett. The EFR is a horse of a different color. I wouldn't re-buy the godspeed for this application. The Precision I have now is an amazing part. Even used and dirty its still glorious, its just "frigging massive" to put it lightly.

The treadstone is out ahead at this point simply due to a combination of fitment, price and quality. Its an OTS unit that is dimensionally similar to the one I had before and shouldnt require a lot of butchery to make it fit. I do still need to comb through the Bell catalog and see what's avalible before I make a decision, and welding something up is also on the table as well. I am also still poking around looking for pics of other options but well see how that goes.

Also, Fab, as much as it may sound like I'm talking smack about your intercoolers, I'm really not. They are great units Its just not exactly what I'm looking for at the moment. For what I'm looking to do the bigger IC just sits too far forward. I could probably make it fit where I want it, but I'd have to cut off the tabs, and then its not worth it at that point. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Also also, can make 300hp and will make 300hp are two totally different things. Remember the part where im a giant wuss? :party: I appreciate the comments though, I'm reading and enjoying all of it.

Built engine and no allofit? Disappoint :(

Also you mention thunder hill, who do you run with there. I went to Trackmasters last year and plan on returning again this year.

I think I've run with Trackmasters and NCRC? There is also another private group I've signed up with that runs T-Hill quite frequently but I've not run with them yet.

Sweet, I'll be down there in august with Trackmaster, try and get your junk ready by then :)

The 3.63 sender wasn't going to get here before the weekend so I cancelled it. Instead, I ordered the parts to mod a speedo sender. I'll get to installing it whenever I've got the trans out and drained again. Probably when the engine goes in. Hopefully installing this little gear isn't a huge pain in the ass. Good thing I have a couple extra senders.

It literally took me 5 minutes to switch out the sender gears. You shouldn't have any problems with it.