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Old 04-05-2012, 04:39 PM   #21
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and i didn't argue that it doesn't.

but at that same point, I make a comment about the current administartion fulfilling points 1-2-3-4-6-7-8-9-13-14 in the linked article, and you get all butthurt about "OMG partisan BS!".

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and i didn't argue that it doesn't.

but at that same point, I make a comment about the current administartion fulfilling points 1-2-3-4-6-7-8-9-13-14 in the linked article, and you get all butthurt about "OMG partisan BS!".
Yes, after you tried to brush off my pointing out that both parties fulfilled it, and half of the crap you posted was due to the actions of the previous administration. Seriously, R or D doesn't matter in this case Brainy.

What they do matters, and unfortunately, neither party can claim moral or ethical superiority on this subject.
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I never brushed off that point, its a given.


but i see no fault in going through a list point-by-point and finding relevent links to the current adminstration.
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I never brushed off that point, its a given.


but i see no fault in going through a list point-by-point and finding relevent links to the current adminstration.
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/...authorization/

So, logically, the current administration must be better than the previous on the patriot act, right Brainy?

I'd call bullshit on that. Not a single thing you posted could be remotely construed as from the actions of a single party, and yet you plastered one party all over your points.

Why do I say that?

Look at the budget arguments. The Republicans have proven a minority can stop legislation from passing beyond a doubt.

A minority party that cooperates with a majority party to pass fascist legislation and who coordinates with them for fascist actions is as guilty as the majority party if the minority party is capable of stopping it.

Where was the minority party on the PATRIOT Act renewal? Where were they for the defense reauthorization act? Let me remind you about the votes on that one - http://www.dailypaul.com/191603/only...horization-act (Handpicked Ron Paul source for you, boo)

You cannot tell me the Republicans can completely ---- up all budgeting, and yet are unable to stop seriously bad and liberty-corroding legislation at the same time.

If you disagree with me, by god, let's hear your logic beyond "But they aren't in the white house!" Republicans hold a majority in the House for that matter - they can dictate what does and does not pass.

Plastering Obama and by extension Democrat all over your post? That's fine, but intellectually dishonest if you agree with this post.
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Facism isn't left or right.

Facism isn't libertarian or authoritarian.

Facism is nothing more than the act of attacking one system of beliefs in favor of another, regardless of the method of attack.

Nationalism is a form of facism, because we're telling the rest of the world that we're better than they are.

Government control / influence over just about anything is a form of facism.

I would also argue that, on the political compass test, facism is not left/right/up/down, but rather it is radial - the farther you are away from the center, the more facist you likely are, with maybe 3 exceptions: I would suspect that as you approach either of the two top corners, or the bottom center, individual facism probably peaks.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:14 PM   #26
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When are you two going to give up and finally space-dock?
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im just being objective.
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This is why no one discusses politics or religion when they're stuck in a Hummvee for days together. Everyone in the thing has guns in a enclosed space.
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To this thread, from the home of fascism, I bring this:
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A bit of history,
Liberalism came about during the “Age of Enlightenment” There are many Ideas that it embraces, Individual liberty, limited government, free markets, etc. It opposed abuses by both the church and the state. Constitutionalism, rule of law, as well as freedom of religion, speech, press and all that sort of stuff is what defines liberalism.

Conservatism was an Ideology that arose to combat the sweeping changes that were occurring with the rise of liberalism. Basically it was an Ideology pushed by aristocracy who wanted to preserve social order. Things like Monarchy, aristocracy, and religious authority were to be conserved and they opposed the new liberal principles of equality, citizenship and inalienable rights. The rich felt they deserved to stay rich and since they always made the rules in the past they felt they should continue to make the rules.

Liberalism is pretty far from fascism. Conservatism can be darn close to fascism. Where Obama may seem fascist it is because he is on the right side of the political spectrum leaning conservative. No way in hell do I think electing even more conservative candidates will help reverse our nation’s death spiral into fascism.

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^^^ see.

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