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The Zimmerman case is that one in a million self-defense situation you hear about in the news because of questionable actions on the part of the shooter that in some way help bring about a deadly outcome.
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Is the situation I posted earlier a 2nd in a million? The one that actually happened with someone I know?
Are these questions pissng pro-gun people off? Should I just bow out and let this become a circle jerk?
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Are these questions pissng pro-gun people off? Should I just bow out and let this become a circle jerk?
LOL@DAnn - oh yeah bro, post up from all your gun owning experience and living in a place that has them outlawed. We're all dying to hear.
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It is interesting how low your gun homicide rate is, especially compared to neighboring California.
It is easier in Indiana, and the permit lasts a lifetime with no need to renew.
It is still a process, and those responsible enough to go through it and follow the law are generally responsible people who get training and actually practice shooting.
I frequently help a buddy out in his gun-store, and almost every new shooter asks where they can take classes. If they don't, we politely suggest that they do and offer an on the spot safety lesson.
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The gun safety act of 2013 (gsa2013) is a win here in Maryland. (Sarcasm) We want to be California soooo bad. Last month, Baltimore just had a record setting murder count. 43 people killed in one month. We have had a higher count many years ago, but the population in Baltimore was higher at that time. So the record per capita was broken.
Not sure if it is just a continuation of the violence from the freddie gray riots or law enforcement apathy. The mayor and attorney general have made it very clear they dont support the police. So law enforcers are scared to do their job.
Not sure if it is just a continuation of the violence from the freddie gray riots or law enforcement apathy. The mayor and attorney general have made it very clear they dont support the police. So law enforcers are scared to do their job.
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Is the situation I posted earlier a 2nd in a million? The one that actually happened with someone I know?
I didn't see you post that the first time around, but refer to my previous post for circumstances that usually result in exoneration.
Maybe there was more to his side of the story, or maybe he was extraordinarily unlucky. I'm not saying bad outcomes don't happen, but if the person defending themselves does everything right, then they shouldn't and usually don't.
Are these questions pissng pro-gun people off? Should I just bow out and let this become a circle jerk?
Not in the least. Not me at least. I respect your opinion, and I thought you were legitimately asking for facts at first.
I think Dann's anger comes more from the fact that he doesn't like you. The conversation does not feel like a circle jerk apart from your neat little argument that we are all enjoying.
LOL@DAnn - oh yeah bro, post up from all your gun owning experience and living in a place that has them outlawed. We're all dying to hear.
To be fair to Dann, he is mostly correct, but he does need to chill.
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I didn't see you post that the first time around, but refer to my previous post for circumstances that usually result in exoneration.
Maybe there was more to his side of the story, or maybe he was extraordinarily unlucky. I'm not saying bad outcomes don't happen, but if the person defending themselves does everything right, then they shouldn't and usually don't.
Are these questions pissng pro-gun people off? Should I just bow out and let this become a circle jerk?
Not in the least. Not me at least. I respect your opinion, and I thought you were legitimately asking for facts at first.
I think Dann's anger comes more from the fact that he doesn't like you. The conversation does not feel like a circle jerk apart from your neat little argument that we are all enjoying.
LOL@DAnn - oh yeah bro, post up from all your gun owning experience and living in a place that has them outlawed. We're all dying to hear.
To be fair to Dann, he is mostly correct, but he does need to chill.
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However, I know the shityourpantsohfuck feeling that occurs and that it is indeed possible to show good judgement and restraint. It is also worth noting that situational awareness played more a part in my survival than pulling the trigger.
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</p><p>I think I figured Oregon out. We have incredibly lax gun laws, but ridiculously overbearing alcohol laws. Its like years ago they were like, "well ****, it turns out booze and guns don't always mix well together, we should probably control one. *flips coin*, Alcohol it is!"</p>
In fact, I do know, and I'm working on getting one myself because of how frequently I like to visit. It is interesting how low your gun homicide rate is, especially compared to neighboring California. It is easier in Indiana, and the permit lasts a lifetime with no need to renew. It is still a process, and those responsible enough to go through it and follow the law are generally responsible people who get training and actually practice shooting. I frequently help a buddy out in his gun-store, and almost every new shooter asks where they can take classes. If they don't, we politely suggest that they do and offer an on the spot safety lesson.
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<p></p><p>I think I figured Oregon out. We have incredibly lax gun laws, but ridiculously overbearing alcohol laws. Its like years ago they were like, "well ****, it turns out booze and guns don't always mix well together, we should probably control one. *flips coin*, Alcohol it is!"</p>
Yes, Indiana is very lax, but you can't buy alcohol on Sunday.
Maybe there's something to that.
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It's amazing the way some of you will try to read deeper into a statement than necessary in order to try to make a point.
I'm not suggesting you won't have ANY problems.
If you're justified in shooting someone, legally (not necessarily morally), than you won't have much of an issue - that was my point.
Zimmerman had issues because it wasn't clear cut and he could have avoided the situation by not following the kid.
I'm not suggesting you won't have ANY problems.
If you're justified in shooting someone, legally (not necessarily morally), than you won't have much of an issue - that was my point.
Zimmerman had issues because it wasn't clear cut and he could have avoided the situation by not following the kid.
Carl Kozlosky was a 53-year-old Cleveland Ohio man.
While on an all night crack binge, a convicted murderer broke down Kozlosky's back door and began beating his girlfriend. Kozlosky shot the man with a .38 caliber revolver.
Even though he acted in defense, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to 18 years to life. It took two years for the verdict to be overturned and another year for Kozlosky to be released on a $10,000 bond.
Cleveland murder conviction of Carl Kozlosky reversed by appeals court - newsnet5.com Cleveland
ay Rodney Lewis was a 49- year-old former law enforcement officer in Iowa with a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
While driving home one night, he was confronted by two men, one a drunk, convicted felon.
After using his gun in self defense, Lewis was arrested and jailed with bond set at $225,000. A jury found that he acted appropriately, but he spent 112 days in jail, lost his job and all his possessions, and found himself homeless and penniless.
Stand Your Ground, Lose Everything(home defense)
Harold Fish was a 57-year-old retired high school teacher in Arizona with a clean record and a license to carry a concealed weapon.
While hiking, a man charged him, waving his arms and threatening to kill him. Harold Fish shot the man in self defense.
A jury found him guilty of second degree murder and he spent 3 years in prison and half a million dollars in legal fees before the conviction was reversed.
Trail of evidence - Dateline NBC - Crime reports - Trail of Evidence | NBC News
But you know......you'll be totally fine in a self-defense shooting and nothing bad will happen because our legal system never makes mistakes.
This of course, is also completely ignoring the wrongful death suit the family is going to file that has a much lower burden of proof, preponderance of the evidence, that might land you in eternal debt. Not to mention any local or national backlash depending on the specific case. But again, don't worry, if it was a justified shooting you'll be fine and you have nothing to worry about.
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Maybe that's why California's gun laws suck so bad? Because we can get booze erryehwere!
My biggest issue with CA's CCW laws is that it once you have one it covers the entire state, but its up to the SHERIFF in your COUNTY OF RESIDENCE to set the entire process and rules for acquisition. If your Sheriff is an ******* you are completely boned. Counties like San Diego and San Francisco refuse to issue, Monterey County just went from "terrible process" to "good ol' boys club" and NorCal counties like Siskayou, Butte, Modoc, Plumas, etc all have decent Sheriffs and therefore decent CCW processes.
Its a big god damn unfair mess. I'm not a proponent of big government but I do support the CCW process being taken over by the state and standardized.
Here, enjoy the madness:
My biggest issue with CA's CCW laws is that it once you have one it covers the entire state, but its up to the SHERIFF in your COUNTY OF RESIDENCE to set the entire process and rules for acquisition. If your Sheriff is an ******* you are completely boned. Counties like San Diego and San Francisco refuse to issue, Monterey County just went from "terrible process" to "good ol' boys club" and NorCal counties like Siskayou, Butte, Modoc, Plumas, etc all have decent Sheriffs and therefore decent CCW processes.
Its a big god damn unfair mess. I'm not a proponent of big government but I do support the CCW process being taken over by the state and standardized.
Here, enjoy the madness:
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Maybe that's why California's gun laws suck so bad? Because we can get booze erryehwere!
My biggest issue with CA's CCW laws is that it once you have one it covers the entire state, but its up to the SHERIFF in your COUNTY OF RESIDENCE to set the entire process and rules for acquisition. If your Sheriff is an ******* you are completely boned. Counties like San Diego and San Francisco refuse to issue, Monterey County just went from "terrible process" to "good ol' boys club" and NorCal counties like Siskayou, Butte, Modoc, Plumas, etc all have decent Sheriffs and therefore decent CCW processes.
Its a big god damn unfair mess. I'm not a proponent of big government but I do support the CCW process being taken over by the state and standardized.
Here, enjoy the madness:
My biggest issue with CA's CCW laws is that it once you have one it covers the entire state, but its up to the SHERIFF in your COUNTY OF RESIDENCE to set the entire process and rules for acquisition. If your Sheriff is an ******* you are completely boned. Counties like San Diego and San Francisco refuse to issue, Monterey County just went from "terrible process" to "good ol' boys club" and NorCal counties like Siskayou, Butte, Modoc, Plumas, etc all have decent Sheriffs and therefore decent CCW processes.
Its a big god damn unfair mess. I'm not a proponent of big government but I do support the CCW process being taken over by the state and standardized.
Here, enjoy the madness:
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Here's another one, this is from a distant relative of mine, who is currently in prison:
stupid crackhead "homeboys" come over to threaten him over some dumb argument they got into. one of them pulls a gun to "de-escalate" the situation. said relative snatches it out of his hands, it goes off, he murders the homeboy on accident.
he's in for 7 years, after an insane amount of court and all sorta stuff, proving that he did in fact do all of this in self defense.
I guess it's an isolated "CA problem"?
stupid crackhead "homeboys" come over to threaten him over some dumb argument they got into. one of them pulls a gun to "de-escalate" the situation. said relative snatches it out of his hands, it goes off, he murders the homeboy on accident.
he's in for 7 years, after an insane amount of court and all sorta stuff, proving that he did in fact do all of this in self defense.
I guess it's an isolated "CA problem"?
I feel it necessary to mention that part of my in-depth self-defense plan is to avoid any kind of trouble at all times. I don't go into dark alleys, I don't associate with drug users, I don't use hole-in-the-wall gas stations in the middle of nowhere, and I certainly don't associate with crackheads. In other words, I think I'm like most people.
I also don't spend every waking moment on "hi-alert" assuming everybody I come across is trying to kill me. Maybe it's a bit of military training, or observing my father for a couple decades, or just plain'old street-smarts... but I like to think I can see trouble coming and I go the other direction.
Zimmerman had issues because it wasn't clear cut and he could have avoided the situation by not following the kid.
its up to the SHERIFF in your COUNTY OF RESIDENCE to set the entire process and rules for acquisition.
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And to be clear about Peruta... there was zero impact to the laws of the State Of California. The only impact was to the official or unofficial approving criteria for individual County Sheriffs in that "Self Defense" could no longer be denied as "good cause". Most people think that Peruta caused California legal code (at the state level) to change, which is false. This is why the 9th initially refused Harris (Cali Attorney General) standing to add anything to the case during the usual motions to dismiss or stay after the verdict was read, because it didn't affect State law directly. Now that Peruta will he heard enbanc by the 9th, we have to wait longer for the final word... the jury is still out on how that plays.
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84(R) SB 11 - Enrolled version - Bill Text
This is the actual text of the law that the Governor will sign.
Here is the carve-out for private universities:
This is the actual text of the law that the Governor will sign.
Here is the carve-out for private universities:
(e) A private or independent institution of higher
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on the campus of the institution, any grounds or building
on which an activity sponsored by the institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle owned by the
institution.
education in this state, after consulting with students, staff, and
faculty of the institution, may establish rules, regulations, or
other provisions prohibiting license holders from carrying
handguns on the campus of the institution, any grounds or building
on which an activity sponsored by the institution is being
conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle owned by the
institution.
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In my locksmith van I have a couple safes. A drop safe and a gun safe. I've been held up by knife twice. Each time I have gone to the gun safe and they thought they were getting some sweet cash only to have my barrel in their face.
I no longer am a locksmith partially for my safety but also because of the awful hours. I got sick of being caught in between some nasty split ups...having a pissed husband in my face after he randomly shows up and his wife is changing the locks on him. People not taking care of their vicious pets, getting threatened, robbed for trying to help people.
Could I have done without the gun? probably... but you know it did give me comfort and helped me defuse my situations.
For all I know I could have been stabbed after I gave my money. Yeah I was lucky they didn't have guns but either way In my situation they didn't have "bigger" weapons.
btw I hardly ever carry anymore now that i'm in a different field. I'm not some huge gun fanatic. It was simply a safety mechanism for my situation.
I no longer am a locksmith partially for my safety but also because of the awful hours. I got sick of being caught in between some nasty split ups...having a pissed husband in my face after he randomly shows up and his wife is changing the locks on him. People not taking care of their vicious pets, getting threatened, robbed for trying to help people.
Could I have done without the gun? probably... but you know it did give me comfort and helped me defuse my situations.
For all I know I could have been stabbed after I gave my money. Yeah I was lucky they didn't have guns but either way In my situation they didn't have "bigger" weapons.
btw I hardly ever carry anymore now that i'm in a different field. I'm not some huge gun fanatic. It was simply a safety mechanism for my situation.