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Joe Perez 05-08-2019 08:52 PM

Some knives cut both ways.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9b&oe=5D751CAC

Braineack 05-09-2019 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1534222)


maybe this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/04/26/us-economy-grew-percent-early-smashing-expectations/


Also, ask a Republican to vote against SS...

Joe Perez 05-09-2019 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1534265)
Also, ask a Republican to vote against SS...

¿SS?


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EDIT: Ah, I see. You mean voting against kittens with hand grenades. Yeah, that'd be a hard sell.

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Braineack 05-09-2019 09:36 AM

aw honey, you tried.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...d5&oe=5D69036D

Braineack 05-09-2019 09:41 AM

#believeallwomen

https://fox13now.com/2019/05/07/loga...naWAVZ46XuFLfc


62-year-old Michael Fife of Logan died after being struck shortly after being accused of a sexual assault aboard a Cache Valley Transit District bus.

According to a news release from the Logan Police Department, the incident happened around 3:00 p.m. on April 23.

A 16-year-old girl called her 17-year-old brother and told him the man had sexually assaulted her.

Minutes later, the brother met Fife as he exited the bus near 300 South 100 West in Logan.

He assaulted Fife who fell to the ground and suffered head injuries when he hit the sidewalk.

“Kind of a linebacker-type charge toward the gentleman, knocking him down,” said Chief Gary Jensen with Logan Police. “This is an absolutely horrible event.”


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Investigators reviewed surveillance video from the CVTD bus.

It showed Fife walking past the girl, but no sexual assault took place, according to the news release.


Joe Perez 05-09-2019 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1534272)


It seems that you are arguing against believing all women.

Serious question: If we do not believe all women, then how will all women be believed?

Braineack 05-09-2019 11:00 AM

leftism is a sick disease.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...42&oe=5D63537E

Braineack 05-09-2019 11:05 AM

Facebook Post


Muslim Conductor tried to convert audience to Islam! Dutch Orchestra Walks Out on him .

When the most liberal country in Europe pulls the plug on Islam, the world is beginning to see the light.

Queen Beatrix of The Netherlands attended a concert in the capital, Amsterdam.

The Guest Conductor, who just happens to be Muslim, proceeded to give the Queen a lecture on the "beauty" of Islam.

The entire orchestra got up and walked out, refusing to be associated with someone lecturing their Queen.

The staff of the music hall escorted the conductor off-stage, and after questioning, out of the building.

Now that took courage. Good for the people of Holland.

Watch the walk out.

Bet you didn't see this on your local news.



Braineack 05-09-2019 11:17 AM



https://bigleaguepolitics.com/twitte...esident-trump/


Twitter Suspends User Who Made Viral Videos Retweeted by President Trump

Carpe Donktum, which creates popular meme videos frequently retweeted or reposted by President Trump, has been hit with a 12 hour suspension.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/twitte...gainst-comedy/


Twitter Bans Creepy Porn Lawyer Parody Account in War Against Comedy

Twitter’s war on comedic conservatives continues.


INB4 JoeP.

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cordycord 05-09-2019 11:52 AM

When the SPLC is the arbiter of right and wrong...

Joe Perez 05-09-2019 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1534284)
(It's OK for social media companies to censor speech, because they're private companies, not government agencies.)

I tend to disagree with your opinion above. And, as it happens, so does Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...k-up-facebook/

Hughes' recommendation is more government regulation. I'm sure we can all agree that more government regulation is always a good idea, free of unforeseen consequences.

Braineack 05-09-2019 12:17 PM

https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/09...Ucn5mI89kDN82I


Colorado Students Walk Out Of School Shooting Vigil After It Turns Political

Sen. Michael Bennet and Rep. Jason Crow each took a turn calling for gun control at the Douglas County event before students streamed out in protest.


cordycord 05-09-2019 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1534298)
I tend to disagree with your opinion above. And, as it happens, so does Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...k-up-facebook/

Hughes' recommendation is more government regulation. I'm sure we can all agree that more government regulation is always a good idea, free of unforeseen consequences.

It's very extremely concerning that Facebook, Twitter, Google and other companies that the public relies on for communication and information may "rank" the posts of people/groups/companies so as to favor some and disfavor others. Some of this may be in the name of algorithms to put information in front of people that they may find more useful, but it seems as if we're already sliding down that slippery slope or censoring speech.

Joe Perez 05-09-2019 02:01 PM

It's an interesting conundrum.

On the one hand, gatekeepers have existed since the very first technologies for the mass dissemination of information were developed. First it was the clergy, then book-publishing companies, then newspaper editors, then radio producers, then TV news-directors... There's always been someone who got to exercise editorial control over the content of "one to many" communication.

What's unique is that it's only within the past decade or so that this concept has become a practical two-way avenue. At no other time since the invention of the printing press have I had, in theory, access to the same platforms and technology to express my own opinions as people who are professional content-creators.

And since I am using platforms developed by other people & companies to do so, it's not surprisingly that they might wish to moderate that content.

I mean, we do it here on MiataTurbo all the time. If someone writes something utterly retarded, or in gross violation of forum policies, I delete it. If they persist in this behavior, I ban them. We have rules on this forum, and you can either follow them or not be here.

Censoring posts / accounts which are of a certain political slant on a site like Twitter or Facebook, while undesirable from a standpoint of free discourse, is no different than the fact that I can issue a violation to someone for a post which contains "Feline Disrespect."

(I'm not kidding, that's literally one of the choices I have when I flag a post on this forum. "Feline disrespect.")


Change my mind.

Braineack 05-09-2019 02:59 PM

when GAB tried to startup as a twitter/FB alternative, Google and Apple removed it from their app stores...


FB actually wants government regulation...that should scare you. Trump ruined his plans for world domination with the Clintons.

Braineack 05-09-2019 03:11 PM

Facebook Post

Braineack 05-09-2019 03:26 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...WzqL5xXyHnJTKo





Banned from Facebook? A Polish Court May Help

A Polish group is suing Facebook for “private censorship” in a potentially landmark case.


Facebook is often criticized for not doing enough to police its platform for hate speech. But the opposite has also been a problem: Mark Zuckerberg’s company uses rather vague “community standards” as the basis for decision to remove users and posts. It doesn’t feel compelled to explain exactly how it applies them, either. Now, a Polish court may decide it should.

When Facebook banned Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Louis Farrakhan, Laura Loomer and others last week, all it said was that “the process for evaluating potential violators is extensive and it is what led us to our decision.” The prominent right-wingers with huge audiences on the Facebook-owned platforms didn’t, in other words, get much in the way of explanation.

Those banned from Facebook and Instagram last week might take a look at Poland, where a local non-governmental organization is suing Facebook for removing its page. The Polish nonprofit, called the Civil Society Drug Policy Initiative and known by the Polish abbreviation SIN for short, filed suit against Facebook’s European arm in the Warsaw District Court this week. At least in Europe, the case may help set up more transparent procedures for banning content and its creators from social networks.

The group specializes in “harm reduction,” an approach to fixing drug-related social problems in part by removing the stigma from drug use and respecting users’ rights. It may be controversially soft on drug users, but the approach has been backed by the United Nations and influential private donors and is by no means illegal.

SIN says Facebook shut down its page last year without explaining what rules it had broken; the organization used the social network’s appeal procedure but the ban was upheld, again without a clear explanation – just like in the case of U.S. right-wingers who were kicked off. SIN activists suspect Facebook's human moderators, or perhaps an algorithm, erroneously decided that the page, with 16,000 subscribers, encouraged drug use.

The group is represented pro bono by a prominent Warsaw law firm and aided by another NGO, Panoptykon, which describes itself as a civil society watchdog over all kinds of regulators. SIN mostly wants the page reinstated because it says it was important as a hotline for drug users the organization is trying to help as well as an information channel. Panoptykon’s goals are broader: It’s trying to set a precedent and have the practice it describes as “private censorship” explicitly regulated.

Poland is a country with a right-wing, nationalist government, and the ruling Law and Justice Party has long grumbled about U.S.-based social networks’ banning practices. Like those in the U.S. who were banned, its members see a liberal bias in the platforms’ policies. In 2017, the country's Digital Affairs Ministry drafted a bill that would make the social networks liable for “over-removal” of content, but the bill never made it to parliament, derailed by a ministry reorganization. Panoptykon’s approach, however, is distinct from the right-wing criticism: It’s trying to stress the nonpartisan nature of the “private censorship” issue by backing the drug policy nonprofit’s case.



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Braineack 05-09-2019 03:31 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/faceboo...0ncNecB8v1gU-g


Facebook Co-Founder Chris Hughes Says Company Should Be Broken Up

One of the social-media giant’s originators calls its power ‘unprecedented and un-American’


Chris Hughes, who helped Mark Zuckerberg create the company that eventually became Facebook Inc., is calling for the social-media giant to be broken up.

In a nearly 6,000 word opinion essay published online Thursday in the New York Times, Mr. Hughes said the Facebook chief executive has gained power that is both “unprecedented and un-American.”

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Braineack 05-09-2019 03:35 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/o...-facebook.html


Chris Hughes’s Call to Break Up Facebook: 5 Takeaways


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Mark Zuckerberg is really powerful. Like, cartoonishly, Bond-villain powerful.

Mr. Hughes describes the breathtaking power that Mark Zuckerberg has amassed through a combination of market dominance and lack of regulatory oversight.

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Facebook’s founders had no idea of the power of what they were building.

The power of social media companies to rewire how humankind communicates was obvious. But the new tools had unintended consequences and soon started to alter society in alarming ways.

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Facebook’s concentration of power and influence is part of a trend that extends beyond Silicon Valley.

Mr. Hughes sets the power of Facebook in the context of a broader movement toward monopolistic consolidation.

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There are no alternatives to Facebook. That’s the problem.

No major social networking company has been founded since the fall of 2011. In the wake of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, as many as one in four Facebook users in the United States deleted the
app from their phones, at least temporarily. But they often migrated to Instagram or WhatsApp, not realizing that both companies were also owned by Facebook.

Mr. Hughes writes that Facebook’s ubiquity was a result of Mr. Zuckerberg’s drive to grow and the government’s unwillingness to do anything to stop it. “The company’s strategy was to beat every competitor in plain view, and regulators and the government tacitly — and at times explicitly — approved.”

Now, Facebook isn’t checked by conventional market forces. “This means that every time Facebook messes up, we repeat an exhausting pattern: first outrage, then disappointment and, finally, resignation,” Mr. Hughes writes.




Joe Perez 05-09-2019 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1534344)

See, this is how I know you're not actually reading the content in this thread. Because I posted that a few hours ago. :giggle:


This business whereby social media corporations have become the de-facto means of mass communication, and have clearly adopted a bias in the regulation of their content, is disturbing.

I'm not sure what the alternative is, though. I find the idea of setting precedent in allowing the US Government (or any government, for that matter) to dictate terms to Twitbook about how they may and may not regulate the content which is published on their servers to be even more terrifying.

The constitution has some rather strong things to say about the the freedom of the press, and that includes the freedom to select what will and will not be published. And if the Second Amendment applies to magazine-fed pistols, then the First Amendment recognizes electronic communication as The Press.


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