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Old Sep 11, 2019 | 01:19 PM
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The top 3 safest states in the country are constitutional carry states....

Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
why you so racist?
An Irishman once kicked our dog when I was a child.
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 01:23 PM
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It's too cold to shoot people most of the year there.
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Erat
The top 3 safest states in the country are constitutional carry states....

Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Rather caucasian and somewhat light on population density and manufacturing, to my understanding. I have no idea how that correlates to anything. Trying to think of other things those three places have in common besides being cold but we have other states that are cold also.
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 02:18 PM
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Old Sep 11, 2019 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Erat
The top 3 safest states in the country are constitutional carry states....

Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
True but in all 3 are fairly recent laws.

ME = 2015
VT = 2018
NH = 2017
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Erat
The top 3 safest states in the country are constitutional carry states....
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire
Not sure of your definition of "safe," or the source of your data.

In terms of overall violent crime rate (based on 2017 FBI data) the top 10 (with crimes / 100k) are:

• Maine 121.0
• Vermont 165.8
• New Hampshire 198.7
• Virginia 208.2
• Kentucky 225.8
• Idaho 226.4
• Connecticut 228.0
• New Jersey 228.8
• Rhode Island 232.2
• Wyoming 237.5


Now, I'm going to look at the "Gun Law Scorecard ratings for each of those states. Note that these rankings are from the Giffords Law Center, which is a strongly anti-gun organization, so in their opinion, a "good" rating (A) correlates to highly restrictive gun laws, and a "poor" rating "F" correlates with states that do not severely limit gun rights.


• Maine: F (35th out of 50)
• Vermont: D+ (21st out of 50)
• New Hampshire: F (40th out of 50)
• Virginia: D (32nd out of 50)
• Kentucky: F (43rd out of 50)
• Idaho: F (48th out of 50)
• Connecticut: A- (3rd out of 50)
• New Jersey: A (2nd out of 50)
• Rhode Island: B+ (9th out of 50)
• Wyoming: F (48th out of 50)

So, you're absolutely right if you look at only the top 5. But expand that to the top 10, and correlation totally vanishes. Three of the states with the most highly restrictive gun laws are in the top 10 states in which you are least likely to experience Murder, Rape, Robbery, or Aggravated Assault.
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 04:16 PM
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Oh, i see the trend. What sixshooter said.

Kinda proves your point that you make time and time again. That if you cherry pick data you can swing any argument in your favor.
Old Sep 11, 2019 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Erat
Kinda proves your point that you make time and time again. That if you cherry pick data you can swing any argument in your favor.
Pretty much.

Hawaii, for instance, has the third-lowest firearm homicide rate in the US. It also has some of the most restrictive gun laws of any US state. And it is not cold.

Alaska has some of the most permissive gun laws of any US state, and it also has the #1* highest rate of death by firearm. And it's often quite cold.

* = or #2, depending on data source and year. It dances with Lousiana for the top spot. Which kind of doesn't matter, since Louisiana ALSO has extremely permissive gun laws, including unlicensed open and "shall-issue" concealed carry.


It's clear that having permissive gun laws, and a large number of guns, does not automatically equate to having low rates of violent crime. The states with the highest rates of violent crime also have the loosest gun laws and the highest percentages of gun-ownership. (And also poverty, drug abuse, ethnic diversity, etc.)
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 10:30 AM
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13:52. cherry pick that.
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
13:52. cherry pick that.
Could you perhaps be a little less vague about what 13:52 means?


All I'm getting out of Google are bible verses.

Matthew 13:52
Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 10:57 AM
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I bet that's it
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
I bet that's it
Sometimes, I can't tell if Brainey is deliberately trolling this forum, or if his mind operates... differently from what I consider to be normal.
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Could you perhaps be a little less vague about what 13:52 means?


All I'm getting out of Google are bible verses.

Matthew 13:52
Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-43

Of adults arrested for murder, 52.5 percent were Black or African American, 44.8 percent were White, and 2.8 percent were of other races.
I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out what 13% represents.


also:

https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lco...lack/index.htm

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Old Sep 12, 2019 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to figure out what 13% represents.
To be honest, I've given up on trying to decipher your riddles. If you want to have a meaningful conversation, use complete sentences and grown-up words.
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 12:23 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States


As of July 2016, White Americans are the racial majority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, comprising an estimated 12.7% of the population.
13% of the population. 52% of the murders.

13:52


CDC data seems to support:




black youth are violent murders who hate other blacks while blaming whitey for their problems. whitey is straight up clumsy and depressed:

Old Sep 12, 2019 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States

13% of the population. 52% of the murders.

13:52

Ok. Go back and look at post # 15649, and explain to me how expecting someone else to deduce the meaning of that based solely on the information provided is basically something that a poorly-written Sierra adventure game would expect you to do.


Old Sep 12, 2019 | 06:56 PM
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Now Brain I'm not doubting your data but you quoted "Of adults arrested for murder". Just because you were arrested for something doesn't mean you have been found guilty of it. Just sayin.

Also Hispanics make up 17% of the population yet only get arrested for some of the other 2.8% of murders? We must be really good at not getting caught because I know we do some murders. Or maybe when we get arrested for murder we claim to be white or black and not Hispanic just to throw off the FBI numbers.
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hector
Or maybe when we get arrested for murder we claim to be white or black and not Hispanic just to throw off the FBI numbers.
That's certainly what I do when I get arrested for murder.

But, in all seriousness, Brain realizes that "arrested for murder" and "guilty of murder" are fundamentally interchangeable, because neither the police nor the DA's office ever make mistakes or deliberately fabricate evidence or testimony in order to frame innocent people. How could they? Both are arms of The Government, which is our benevolent and infallible protector.
Old Sep 12, 2019 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
That's certainly what I do when I get arrested for murder.
Keep it up and one of these days you're going to get charged with "cultural appropriation". Let me see you get out of that.

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